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Re: Re: Æsthetic Permissive License - For Approval

From: Sean B. Palmer <sean@miscoranda.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:45:01 +0000
Message-ID: <b6bb4d890712281045x7872310csf32b588322562b96@mail.gmail.com>
To: lrosen@rosenlaw.com
Cc: "Russ Nelson" <nelson@crynwr.com>, license-review@opensource.org, www-archive@w3.org
On Dec 28, 2007 6:04 PM, Lawrence Rosen <lrosen@rosenlaw.com> wrote:

> Am I an entity now?

Yes. I took the term "entity" from the OSI approved Fair License:

"Usage of the works is permitted provided that this instrument is
retained with the works, so that any entity that uses the works is
notified of this instrument."
- http://opensource.org/licenses/fair.php

Did you not review this license?

> Since when is a license an "instrument"?

Again, this is a term taken from the Fair License.

> What about all the other IP rights that might be embodied in a work?

As far as I was able to tell from reading the OSD, only the rights
that I enumerated were required to be enumerated.

> Why are we wasting our time on this?

I set the rationale out in my original submission message:


And I'd be willing to expand upon it, but given that you've already
classified this as a waste of time I'm not sure that your opinion is
malleable enough to be worth the effort. This is disheartening, but
perhaps it was simply hyperbole to encode a very strong professional
opinion? It seems to me an impolite rhetoric.

Programmers don't like licenses that seem like a waste of bytes, and
since they're not lawyers it's very difficult to see why what seem
like verbose licenses are required. Just one example:

"I think that people really use software licenses to express
intentions, and don't really read the details of the licenses. So I
think that licenses should be made as simple as possible, so that they
don't disagree with intentions…"
- http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000360

That's the short of it.

Sean B. Palmer, http://inamidst.com/sbp/
Received on Friday, 28 December 2007 18:45:18 UTC

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