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Relevance to HTML 5 (was: Re: supporting both formats html5 & xhtml5 re: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/#xhtml5)

From: Geoffrey Sneddon <foolistbar@googlemail.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:03:34 +0000
Cc: ryan <ryan@theryanking.com>, Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>, Chris Wilson <Chris.Wilson@microsoft.com>, www-archive@w3.org
Message-Id: <DD45446E-4C3E-4779-9371-6BC4028AC400@googlemail.com>
To: Dean Edridge <dean@55.co.nz>

On 20 Dec 2007, at 14:48, Dean Edridge wrote:

> ryan wrote:
>> On Dec 19, 2007, at 6:27 AM, Dean Edridge wrote:
>>> Have you not heard of "one web" ?
>>> A XHTML5 web page MUST be accessible to all devices, otherwise how  
>>> can it be used?
>> Perhaps you should just use HTML5 instead?
> Oh I see. So now you're deciding that XHTML5 is not needed and I  
> best go and use another language instead?
> Typical attitude from your crowd.
>>> Do you expect people using XHTML5 to use content-negotiation for  
>>> ever? If so, they will never be able to use the benefits of XHTML5  
>>> such as embedding SVG into a document.
>> SVG is on the list of things to specify in the HTML5 non-xml  
>> serialization:
>> http://www.whatwg.org/issues/
> Same as above. Not your place to decide that other people don't need  
>>> A person should be able to create a web page in XHTML5 and have it  
>>> supported by *all* user-agents. If not, the whole idea of "one  
>>> web" gets thrown out the window.
>> Why isn't support of HTML5 (non-xml) not enough to have "one web"?
> It's not for you to decide that I or other people don't need XHTML5  
> Ryan. The point of having HTML5 and XHTML5 is to give people options.

Half this email seems to be nothing more on than an attack on Ryan.  
This doesn't help at all with the development of HTML 5, rather the  
contrary: it creates an unhelpful attitude within the WG and brings  
down the signal:noise ratio of emails on public-html. I for one would  
like to see nothing apart from technical discussions relating to HTML  
5 on public-html, as I'm on this mailing list to discuss the  
development of HTML, NOT people being put in crowds according to  
certain beliefs they hold. This (i.e., technical discussion of future  
HTML development) is the very reason public-html exists.

The signal:noise ratio of public-html has at times got so horrifically  
low that I've considered leaving the WG: it simply isn't worth dealing  
with people who just attack one-another. Ryan's reply to yours was  
totally valid: it addressed all the needs that you stated you need  
XHTML5 for. If you had given technical reasons for why you need XHTML5  
I'd be happy to hear them; if you just want to talk about the attitude  
of a "crowd" within the HTML WG do it either in private or not  
whatsoever. I don't care about it.

Geoffrey Sneddon
Received on Thursday, 20 December 2007 21:03:48 UTC

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