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Re: [w3photo] Alpha Spec

From: Libby Miller <Libby.Miller@bristol.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:43:14 +0000 (GMT)
To: Greg Elin <elin@unitboy.com>
Cc: semantic-photolist@unitboy.com
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0401251341580.3549@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk>


Nice, Greg. More commments later, but just a quick note to say I've
started a vocabs wiki page (at Morten's suggestion):

http://esw.w3.org/topic/W3PhotoVocabs

Please add to that if I've missed some out.

libby

On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, Greg Elin wrote:

> I've been reading back through all the emails. We are exploring
> interesting and important issues.
>
> The following is the default specification of the *alpha* version of
> the repository, based on what I've gathered from the emails and my
> understanding of the decisions.
>
> Feedback encouraged. If possible, identify feedback as: (a) correction
> for alpha version, (b) open issue, (c) pre-www2004
> correction/improvement, (d) post- WWW2004  improvement/extension, (e)
> brilliant observation and general commentary. Thanks.  --Greg
>
> 1. Document Info
> 2. Exec Summary
> 3. Alpha Specification
> 	a) Servers
> 	b) Seed photos, data
> 	c) Default Vocabularies and Namespace
> 	d) Default Policies
> 	e) Default User Interface
>
> __1. Document Info__
>
> Specification for Alpha version of W3Photo: A Semantic-Photo History of
> the W3 Conferences
> January 25, 2004
> Version 0.9
> URL: http://esw.w3.org/topic/W3PhotoSpec
>
> __2. Exec Summary__
>
> The initial system will consist of two temporary "official" servers.
> W3photo.org (Greg Elin) will host the photographs.
> http://sw1.ilrt.org/discovery/2004/01/w3photo/ (Libby Miller) will host
> RDF annotations.  It is assumed with these two servers online,
> Southhampton can bring up an alpha AKTive Space for the project on a
> third server within their control.  The "front-door" website will be at
> w3photo.org
>
> We are working only with JPEGs through www2004. We've identified a few
> links to existing photos online, some with associated RDFs. Everyone is
> welcome to contribute some photos to give us an initial set of 100+
> photos. (It is expected these photos will eventually be contributed
> under the license, but we will also be prepared to delete them and/or
> re-contribute them.)
>
> Default vocabularies (ontology definitions) have been drafted. Effort
> was made for compatibility with existing vocabularies.  When faced
> between defining something abstractly or specifically to the context, I
> think we've been decided to be specific to this exercise.  The drafted
> vocabs are:
> 	(Photos)
> 		- vocab for entire image
> 		- vocab for part/region of image (describing region + what's depicted)
> 	(Conference)
> 		- vocab for conferences
> 		- vocab for W3 conference materials, concepts
>
> The proposed Creative Commons license is royalty-free, attribution,
> non-commercial, and share-alike. People contributing photos will need
> to provide some identifying information. The proposed privacy policy is
> to remove photos if a depicted party request removal.
>
> AKTive Space is expected to be the default UI for browsing the
> repository by the time we get to www2004. A variation of Fotonotes will
> be the default UI for regions of images. A simple form will generate
> RDF for the image. (The server code will write data appropriately both
> into the JPEG via and to the annotation server.)  A description of UI
> issues can be found at http://esw.w3.org/topic/UserInterface
>
>
> __2. Alpha Specification__
>   ___a) Servers__
>
> http://www.w3photo.org - front door website
> http://www.w3photo.org/photostest/ - root directory of repository
> (online, but not finished)
> http://sw1.ilrt.org/discovery/2004/01/w3photo/  - interface to add RDF
> to public database
>
> The initial system will consist of two temporary "official" servers. An
> explanatory front door web site and an alpha set of images will be
> hosted at http://www.w3photo.org on a server in the US maintained by
> Greg Elin. RDF annotations for the images will be hosted at
> http://sw1.ilrt.org/discovery/2004/01/w3photo/  maintained by Libby
> Miller in the UK.
>
> Other servers, and other applications like Annotea running on these
> servers, have been discussed. As most of the group has access to their
> own server resources, everyone is welcome to pursue alternatives on
> their respective servers with this single request: allow the agreed
> upon default servers, UIs, and vocabs to lead in the public face of
> this project as we ramp up towards the conference. We need an organized
> approach and public face to encourage involvement from others.
>
> With these two servers online, Southhampton can bring up an alpha
> AKTive Space for the project on a third server within their control.
> This server will provide the general tools for browsing the repository
> and linking the images to conferences, and conference concepts.
>
> ___b) Seed photos, data__
>
> We are working only with JPEGs through www2004. It is fine for
> vocabularies to be inclusive of multimedia, but we are staying just
> with JPEGS to start.
>
> Images should be stored in a higher resolution and a web resolution.
> The primary reference to an image should probably be for the web
> resolution.
>
> We've identified a few links to existing photos online, some with
> associated RDFs. Everyone is welcome to contribute some photos to give
> us an initial set of 100+ photos. (It is expected these photos will
> eventually be contributed under the license, but we will also be
> prepared to delete them and/or re-contribute them.)
>
> Because we may want to change a few things in the near future, let's
> keep this alpha collection smallish.
>
> ___c) Default Vocabularies and Namespace__
>
> Default vocabularies (ontology definitions) have been drafted. Effort
> was made for compatibility with existing vocabularies.  When faced
> between defining something abstractly or specifically to the context, I
> think we've been decided to be specific to this exercise.
>
> Vocabulary for an image:
>   	-  vocab for entire image has been described (Libby, is there a URL?)
>   	- vocab for part/region of image (describing region + what's
> depicted) -
> http://www.wasab.dk/		morten/2004/01/image-regions-schema.rdf and sample
> 		 http://www.wasab.dk/morten/2004/01/image-regions-sample.rdf (Morten
> Frederiksen)
>
> Vocabulary for conference:
>   	-  vocab for conference - http://www.mindswap.org/2004/www04photo.owl
> 		(Jennifer Golbeck)
>   	- vocab for W3 conference materials, concepts (coming from
> Southampton)
>
> (Discussions around vocabularies were very interesting with active
> participation from all.  Extra thanks to Jennifer Golbeck for putting
> the generalized conference vocab online; the Southampton team for
> tackling the hairball of W3 conferences; and Jim Ley, Morten
> Frederiksen, and Libby Miller for gathering and sorting out the photo
> vocab discussions; Libby has been a special glue in these discussions
> and put together example RDF.)
>
> ___d) Default Policies__
>
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/1.0/   (summary)
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/1.0/legalcode (full legal
> code)
>
> Libby's email summarizing policy discussions put forth four suggestions
> which seem like a good alpha version of policy:
> 	1. 	one license for the core set of photos held
> 		on server http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/1.0/
> 	2. 	remove any photos from the core collection that people don't
> 		wish to be there, without quibble, as long as either they created
> 		the photo or are depicted in it
> 	3. 	undertake	 to correct any errors in the metadata from the core
> 		collection, and remove identification of people in the metadata if
> 		requested by them
> 	4. 	reserve the right to remove photos and metadata from the core
> 		collection for any reason (but in practice don't do this unless
> there's
> 		a really good reason)
>
> We are proposing a single license for photos and annotations
> contributed to any of the "official" servers.  The proposed Creative
> Commons license is royalty-free, requires attribution, limits use to
> non-commercial, and share-alike. We are putting this forth as an
> *alpha* license. We need some legal guidance on this (and the privacy
> policy that follows below). There are open issues here.  Please *read*
> the full legal code before raising any comments on the license.
>
> It is important to note that the "core" collection of images are images
> that are contributed by others. Since the images accepted into the core
> agree to the license, which includes attribution, it should be possible
> for people interested in using the images in ways beyond those
> described in the license to contact the contributing party directly.
>
> ___e) Default User Interface__
>
> AKTive Space is expected to be the default UI for browsing the
> repository by the time we get to www2004. A variation of Fotonotes will
> be the default UI for regions of images. A simple form will generate
> RDF for the image. (The server code will write data appropriately both
> into the JPEG via and to the annotation server.)  A description of UI
> issues can be found at http://esw.w3.org/topic/UserInterface
>
> (I've got up some Fotonotes stuff at http://w3photo.org/photostest ;
> however it should be much better Monday; just threw some things up
> their today...)
>
> Greg
>
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