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Re: When will the next release be posted?

From: Frédéric WANG <fred.wang@free.fr>
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 13:15:38 +0200
Message-ID: <5163F85A.50307@free.fr>
To: laurent carcone <laurent.carcone@orange.fr>
CC: Stanimir Stamenkov <s7an10@netscape.net>, www-amaya@w3.org, Steven Pemberton <Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl>, alfredovogel@gmail.com

On 09/04/2013 11:54, laurent carcone wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Indeed, there are no internal developments on Amaya currently. Irene 
> and Vincent retired and both W3C and Inria stopped their involvment in 
> the project. I work partial time at W3C but I have no assignment to 
> work on new developments.
> Amaya has always been an open source project and I created a github 
> repository [1] to get a broader audience.
> Some works have been done recently on HTML5 support, I hope to be able 
> to integrate them and create a specific snapshot.
> But Amaya is a very complex project, used for both production and 
> research purposes.
> As Stanimir said, the main problem is the rendering engine. Amaya uses 
> it's own engine which is the most complex (and biggest) part of the 
> code. I don't know this part very well and it would require a huge 
> work to be able to maintain it. There was a project two years ago to 
> work on the separation of the editor part and the rendering part and 
> use Gecko for that, unfortunately this project didn't succeed.
> To my point of view, this separation is essential if we want Amaya 
> continue to evolve, but as I said, it would require a lot of time. I 
> can help on some points but cannot lead.
> Nevertheless, I'd like to see a first support of HTML5 on Amaya and I 
> think it's possible with the work that has been done on it.
>
> Regards,
> Laurent
>
> [1] https://github.com/W3C/Amaya

Hi all,

Gecko C++ code has a rendering engine but also a core editor (the one 
used for example by Thunderbird or by the "contenteditable" 
implementation. See http://html5demos.com/contenteditable). This editor 
gives basic features like cursor navigation, entering text, selection, 
copy and paste etc Additionally, some projects (Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, 
KompoZer, BlueGriffon) add a user interface for more advanced operations 
like inserting an image, a link etc At the moment, it seems that there 
are not a lot of developments in the core editor, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey 
or KompoZer (because mostly done by volunteers) while BlueGriffon is 
actively developed by Daniel Glazman (but some of the features are 
proprietary extensions). I think Fabien Cazenave wanted to modify the 
Mozilla source to easily build a standalone editor 
(https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477845) and that he is 
willing to continue his KompoZer editor. I also believed he was hired by 
Mozilla to work on the editor at some point. However, I think he now 
works essentially on the B2G project (I think during a period he also 
worked at WAM, is related to the effort you are mentioning?)

So I'm wondering if Amaya should go further than just use the rendering 
engine by Gecko and also consider using its core editor. I did some 
experiments a long time ago and that seemed to work, I was able to get a 
program with the same UI as Amaya, that uses Gecko's layout engine and 
the core editor (I still have the code, but haven't tried to compile it 
with recent version of Gecko). But it remains to reimplement the whole 
Amaya UI (save menu, css editor, HTML/SVG/MathML palette etc) in 
XML+Javascript and perhaps contribute/modify Gecko's core editor. I 
agree that maintaining the old and huge Amaya code is probably 
impossible without Irène and Vincent's knowledge of the code. Personally 
I'd like to improve Gecko-based editors because Amaya does some things 
better (e.g. the navigation and copy and paste of MathML). I think if 
Amaya shares a base code with all the other Gecko projects, that would 
definitely help the maintenance. Also, working with XML+Javascript for 
the UI would be much convenient (for example to get contributions from 
people without knowledge of C/C++) and stable (Amaya has always had many 
crashes) .

-- 
Frédéric Wang
maths-informatique-jeux.com/blog/frederic
Received on Tuesday, 9 April 2013 11:19:49 UTC

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