- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:11:12 -0400
- To: WAI XTech <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Minutes from the ARIA User Agent Implementation Guide teleconference of 22 October are provided below as text, and are available as hypertext at:
http://www.w3.org/2013/10/22-aapi-minutes.html
W3C
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
22 Oct 2013
Agenda
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, janina, Michael_Cooper, Bryan_Garaventa, cyns
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
janina
Contents
* Topics
1. Issue-612
2. Issue-616
3. test cases
* Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 22 October 2013
<clown> zakim GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
<clown> davidb, I can hear you.
<scribe> scribe: janina
Issue-612
<clown> issue-612?
<trackbot> issue-612 -- Review ia2/atk rule in group position. should this really determine level based on aria-owns chain. see uaig:
http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position and test case 69: https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
<clown> "If aria-level is not provided or inherited for an element of role treeitem, user agents implementing IAccessible2 or ATK/AT-SPI MUST compute it by following
the explicit or computed RELATION_NODE_CHILD_OF relations."
db: Suggests we remove, or remove the 'must'
<davidb> +1 to remove
clown: Any objections?
... to removal?
[crickets]
RESOLUTION: Remove this sentence beginning: "If ARIA-Level is not provided ..."
Issue-616
<clown> issue-616?
<trackbot> issue-616 -- ISSUE: Review potentially at-risk statement "When the user triggers an element with a defined activation behavior in a manner other than
clicking it, such as by pressing Enter, simulate a click on the element." -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/616
clown: Monday ARIA discussion suggested removing this from UAIG
<clown> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#interactive-content
clown: HTML 5 has the same requirement, except that H is specific to elements
... We tested an onclick on a div; this doesn't work but an anchor does
<clown> <div role="link" onclick="âŠ">Hi there</div>
<davidb> i don't recall a 'click in progress' flag
[we're unclear how interoperable this is yet, though we agree we want it everywhere]
cyns: Leary of removing this because it seems we'd be losing ground on this discussion
mc: We already have it in tracker, and not having two implementations holds us back from finishing 1.0
cyns: Mark at risk?
mc: OK by me
cyns: I'd prefer
mc: Concerned not all of us are OK
db: Tend to agree with James to remove
<davidb> note what I care about is that we simple agree to implement what is needed - less concerned about what spec and version
js: Suggest week's discussion on list, pro and con keeping this, possibly as at risk
cyns: Will start that at your request
<scribe> ACTION: Cyns to start the conversation re keeping Issue-616 feature in the spec on list, realizing it may go LC at risk. We need to determine what to do by
next Tuesday. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/22-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1284 - Start the conversation re keeping issue-616 feature in the spec on list, realizing it may go lc at risk. we need to determine what to
do by next tuesday. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-10-29].
topIssue-564
<clown> issue-564?
<trackbot> issue-564 -- ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT is not used role="heading" -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/564
clown: suggested removal
cyns: Doesn't ff have a bug on this?
db: yes
... Do believe we were going to remove, however
clown: Which would change expected result to "examine IA2 role"
db: Confirmed with several AT, but not all, that OK to remove
... Shouldn't break anything
[general agreement to remove]
test cases
clown: have to written, run, and any changes needed in uaig completed to keep LC on track
js: Else we slip a calendar quarter
<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#include_elements
<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#include_elements
mc: Bullet 2 seems covered
... ditto 3
... 4 has test cases already
... so now we have 3 to go, but only 2 in the spec ... !!
<clown> "Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another element via a WAI-ARIA relation"
<clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#include_elements
js: Pointing out this isn't holding up LC. We're confident this is OK
<clown> "Elements that have a global WAI-ARIA attribute but do not have aria-hidden="true".
db: Also a slam dunk
<MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/wiki/ARIA/Tests/Testable_Statements#mapping_additional_position
[discussing tests 69 and 71, relevant?]
[discussion to remove owns]
<clown> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=499917
[agreement to remove]
[agreement to add Issue-612 to ARIA-1.1]
<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
<clown> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17716
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cyns to start the conversation re keeping Issue-616 feature in the spec on list, realizing it may go LC at risk. We need to determine what to do by next
Tuesday. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/10/22-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Found Scribe: janina
Present: Joseph_Scheuhammer David_Bolter janina Michael_Cooper Bryan_Garaventa cyns
People with action items: cyns
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