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From: Roberto Castaldo <r.castaldo@iol.it>
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:08:42 +0200
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To: <shadi@w3.org>
Cc: <wai-eo-editors@w3.org>

Thanks a lot Shadi

Best regards, 

Roberto


-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Shadi Abou-Zahra [mailto:shadi@w3.org] 
Inviato: venerd́ 16 settembre 2005 21.15
A: Roberto Castaldo
Cc: wai-eo-editors@w3.org
Oggetto: Re: R: [wbs] Roberto Castaldo response to 'EOWG Call for Review:
Evaluation Resource Suite, 2005 September'

Hi Roberto,

In previous discussions we had agreed not to be too negative about using
tools (but that we should of course caution well). Since you have left this
item for editors' discretion, I have decided to add your comment to the list
of future work in the changelog [1] so that we can discuss again on later
calls. If the group agrees with you suggestion, we will add it in the next
update this fall.

[1] <http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/eval/selectingtools-changelog.html>

Regards,
  Shadi


Roberto Castaldo wrote:
> Hi Shadi,
> 
> I clearly see your point, but I think we all - every day - have to "fight"
> against crowds of web developers and web project managers who hide 
> themselves behind a Bobby (or any ather kind of tool) response and 
> avoid even to look at all the (manual) warnings that any tool can provide.
> 
> So this is a good chance to make (or try to) everyone understand that 
> a semi-automated tool cannot do everything... What about emphatizing 
> both words, "not determine"?
> 
> Anyway, should you and the editors decide not to apply this change, no 
> problem at all... it is just a simple suggestion which doesn't want to 
> undervalue the document's quality and its effectiveness.
> 
> My best regards,
> 
> Roberto Castaldo
> -----------------------------------
> Coordinatore www.Webaccessibile.Org
> IWA/HWG Member
> rcastaldo@webaccessibile.org
> r.castaldo@iol.it
> ------------------------------------
>  
> 
> 
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Shadi Abou-Zahra [mailto:shadi@w3.org]
> Inviato: venerd́ 16 settembre 2005 10.00
> A: r.castaldo@iol.it
> Cc: wai-eo-editors@w3.org
> Oggetto: Re: [wbs] Roberto Castaldo response to 'EOWG Call for Review:
> Evaluation Resource Suite, 2005 September'
> 
> Hi Roberto,
> 
> Thank you for reading the documents and completing the WBS form. Since 
> we are already clearly emphasizing the word "not" in the header of 
> this section, re-emphasizing it in the last sentence may be too 
> negative. Also, we are emphasizing the word "determine" in that 
> sentence which I think has higher importance for the message we want to
convey. Do you agree?
> 
> 
> WBS Mailer on behalf of <r.castaldo@iol.it> wrote:
> 
>>---------------------------------
>>Selecting Tools page
>>----
>>
>>
>>Comments (or a URI pointing to your comments): 
>>priority: [editor's discretion]
>>location: paragraph "What evaluation tools can not do"
>>current wording: Web accessibility evaluation tools can not determine 
>>the accessibility of Web sites, they can only assist in doing so.
>>suggested revision: Web accessibility evaluation tools can <i>not</i> 
>>determine the accessibility of Web sites, they can only assist in 
>>doing so.
>>rationale: I'd like to put in evidence the word "not", in order to 
>>make also visually clear the limitation we're talking about.
> 
> 
> Regards,
>   Shadi
> 
> 

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