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Re: Action-650 Review generated css content in html5

From: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:19:20 +0100
To: "Jim Allan" <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
Cc: WAI-ua <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Message-ID: <op.v4qqeid4wxe0ny@widsith.eng.oslo.osa>
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:56:06 +0100, Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Charles McCathieNevile  
> <chaals@opera.com>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 18:09:09 +0100, Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>  could find no reference to prohibiting CSS generated content from
>>> appearing in the DOM.
>>>
>>
>> But what is the mechanism by which it appears? It is part of style, so
>> should be accessible through getComputedStyle, but I am not sure that is
>> actually useful. I'm not sure how DOM handles pseudo-elements, which  
>> are in any event defined in CSS.
>>
>>
>> Jim: I am not sure of the mechanism. it just appears on the screen, but  
>> is not in the DOM.

It isn't an object in the normal flow of the DOM. You could query the  
rules applied to the element, via the DOM, but that is a step too far for  
most AT.

>>  there doesn't appear to be anything that a UA can do to access this
>>> information. A screen reader could scrape the screen and keep  
>>> refreshing to find generated content...tedious, many cpu cycles, etc.
>>>
>>
>> Opera just exposes the content directly. I don't see why other browsers
>> don't do that.
>>
>> Jim: New Information: created a test page
> http://test.tsbvi.edu/generated.htm with style
> http://test.tsbvi.edu/generated.css
> tested with Jaws 12. predicted results in FF7 and IE8 - that is Jaws did
> not read the generated text.
> BUT Jaws read the text in Chrome. Not sure why or how.

Because Firefox has a bug that Chrome doesn't. Opera on Mac, using  
Voiceover, also reads the text.

I'd suggest filing a bug on Firefox.

cheers

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Charles 'chaals' McCathieNevile  Opera Software, Standards Group
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