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Re: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008

From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:43:53 -0400
Message-ID: <022201c89bda$1503b740$0901a8c0@HANDS>
To: "Jan Richards" <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
Cc: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>

I like it because now I can rightfully demand free hand drawing 
accessibility <g> but seriously, it feels much less limitting even if it may 
not be.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jan Richards" <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
To: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Cc: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008


OK....so then we seem to be agreed on:

4.1.1 Keyboard Operation: All functionality can be *operated via the
keyboard* using *sequential* and/or *direct* keyboard commands that do
not require specific timings for individual keystrokes, except where the
underlying function requires input that depends on the path of the
user's movement and not just the endpoints.

Cheers,
Jan


David Poehlman wrote:
> I'm not sure what a note would look like, but what if we just used:
>>> <<<second attempt>>>
>>> 4.1.1 Keyboard Operation: All functionality can be *operated via the
>>> keyboard* using *sequential* and/or *direct* keyboard commands that do
>>> not require specific timings for individual keystrokes, except where the
>>> underlying function requires input that depends on the path of the
> user's movement and not just the endpoints.
>>>> end of second attempt<<<
>
> Using except in this way creates a fall through without a confusing and
> potentially misleading example.  Painting might be a better example.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jan Richards" <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
> To: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net>
> Cc: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
>
>
> Agreed, but the requirement in question is focussed on what needs to be
> done with a keyboard device. So maybe this belongs in an informative note?
>
> Cheers,
> Jan
>
>
> David Poehlman wrote:
>> This is why I want to drop except because it presents a false boundary 
>> and
>> instead, we need a deffinition cutoff.  I agree that my answer is not
>> testable.  I'm actually not thinking that we will ever do flying with the
>> keyboard but may do more complex things than we are doing now and would
>> not
>> like to limit that.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jan Richards" <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
>> To: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net>
>> Cc: "Jim Allan" <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>; "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
>>
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I'm just afraid that "such that its complexity would overwhelm
>> efficiency" isn't sufficiently testable.
>>
>> BTW: For keyboard users who are blind, I wonder if the future
>> improvement that will make the most difference for tasks such as
>> painting and flying helicopters will be 2D haptic tablets, since they
>> have the potential to provide the rich spatial feedback that is needed
>> to use mouse/stylus/joystick devices.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jan
>>
>>
>> David Poehlman wrote:
>>> all the examples I have seen thus far talk about brush strokes and 
>>> flying
>>> helicopters and the like and not free hand drawing.  One idea is to come
>>> up
>>> with language that gets the point across without hard coding an
>>> exception.
>>> <<<an attempt>>>
>>> 4.1.1 Keyboard Operation: All functionality can be *operated via the
>>> keyboard* using *sequential* and/or *direct* keyboard commands that do
>>> not require specific timings for individual keystrokes, except where the
>>> underlying function requires input that depends on the path of the
>>> user's movement and not just the endpoints, such that its complexity
>>> would
>>> overwhelm efficiency.
>>>>>> end of attempt<<<
>>> Some tweaking may be in order here, to get across the actual point being
>>> made for instance, taking out the except altogether and using a 
>>> different
>>> approach before the end note but as it currently stands above, it seems
>>> to
>>> achieve the objective without compromise.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jim Allan" <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
>>> To: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:46 PM
>>> Subject: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> URL added for agenda item:
>>> c. review compromise language for Level A success criteria
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0027.html
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Jim Allan
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:54 PM
>>> To: 'Jan Richards'; 'WAI-UA list'
>>> Subject: User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
>>>
>>>
>>> User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Chair: Jim Allan
>>> Date: Thursday, 10 April 2008
>>> Time: 2:00-3:00 pm Boston Local Time, USA (19:00-20:00 UTC/GMT)
>>> Call-in: Zakim bridge at: +1-617-761-6200, code 82941# for UK use
>>> 44-117-370-6152
>>> IRC: sever: irc.w3.org, port: 6665, channel: #ua.
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Agenda:
>>>
>>> 0. Regrets, agenda requests, or comments to the list
>>>
>>> 1. Continue Keyboard Access discussion:
>>>
>>> a. review Keyboard Operation:
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0004.html
>>>
>>> b. JR and JA attempts at requirements that include visual indicators:
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0052.html
>>>
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0053.html
>>>
>>> c. review compromise language for Level A success criteria...coming 
>>> soon.
>>> Will post addendum when url available.
>>>
>>> d. Review Level AA and AAA success criteria. Current text (see 4.1):
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-UAAG20-20080312/#principle-operable
>>>
>>> Jim Allan, Webmaster
>>> Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
>>> 1100 W. 45th St.
>>> Austin, TX 78756
>>> 512-206-9315
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

-- 
Jan Richards, M.Sc.
User Interface Design Specialist
Adaptive Technology Resource Centre (ATRC)
Faculty of Information Studies
University of Toronto

   Email: jan.richards@utoronto.ca
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