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Re: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008

From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:43:52 -0400
Message-ID: <006001c89b4b$97d7bd90$0901a8c0@HANDS>
To: "Jan Richards" <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
Cc: "Jim Allan" <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>, "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>

This is why I want to drop except because it presents a false boundary and 
instead, we need a deffinition cutoff.  I agree that my answer is not 
testable.  I'm actually not thinking that we will ever do flying with the 
keyboard but may do more complex things than we are doing now and would not 
like to limit that.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jan Richards" <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
To: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Cc: "Jim Allan" <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>; "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008


Hi Dave,

I'm just afraid that "such that its complexity would overwhelm
efficiency" isn't sufficiently testable.

BTW: For keyboard users who are blind, I wonder if the future
improvement that will make the most difference for tasks such as
painting and flying helicopters will be 2D haptic tablets, since they
have the potential to provide the rich spatial feedback that is needed
to use mouse/stylus/joystick devices.

Cheers,
Jan


David Poehlman wrote:
> all the examples I have seen thus far talk about brush strokes and flying
> helicopters and the like and not free hand drawing.  One idea is to come 
> up
> with language that gets the point across without hard coding an exception.
> <<<an attempt>>>
> 4.1.1 Keyboard Operation: All functionality can be *operated via the
> keyboard* using *sequential* and/or *direct* keyboard commands that do
> not require specific timings for individual keystrokes, except where the
> underlying function requires input that depends on the path of the
> user's movement and not just the endpoints, such that its complexity would
> overwhelm efficiency.
>>>> end of attempt<<<
>
> Some tweaking may be in order here, to get across the actual point being
> made for instance, taking out the except altogether and using a different
> approach before the end note but as it currently stands above, it seems to
> achieve the objective without compromise.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Allan" <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
> To: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:46 PM
> Subject: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
>
>
>
> URL added for agenda item:
> c. review compromise language for Level A success criteria
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0027.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Jim Allan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:54 PM
> To: 'Jan Richards'; 'WAI-UA list'
> Subject: User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
>
>
> User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Chair: Jim Allan
> Date: Thursday, 10 April 2008
> Time: 2:00-3:00 pm Boston Local Time, USA (19:00-20:00 UTC/GMT)
> Call-in: Zakim bridge at: +1-617-761-6200, code 82941# for UK use
> 44-117-370-6152
> IRC: sever: irc.w3.org, port: 6665, channel: #ua.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Agenda:
>
> 0. Regrets, agenda requests, or comments to the list
>
> 1. Continue Keyboard Access discussion:
>
> a. review Keyboard Operation:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0004.html
>
> b. JR and JA attempts at requirements that include visual indicators:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0052.html
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0053.html
>
> c. review compromise language for Level A success criteria...coming soon.
> Will post addendum when url available.
>
> d. Review Level AA and AAA success criteria. Current text (see 4.1):
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-UAAG20-20080312/#principle-operable
>
> Jim Allan, Webmaster
> Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
> 1100 W. 45th St.
> Austin, TX 78756
> 512-206-9315
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Jan Richards, M.Sc.
User Interface Design Specialist
Adaptive Technology Resource Centre (ATRC)
Faculty of Information Studies
University of Toronto

   Email: jan.richards@utoronto.ca
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   Phone: 416-946-7060
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