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Re: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008

From: Jan Richards <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:49:34 -0400
Message-ID: <47FE7D5E.4010803@utoronto.ca>
To: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
CC: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>

Agreed, but the requirement in question is focussed on what needs to be 
done with a keyboard device. So maybe this belongs in an informative note?

Cheers,
Jan


David Poehlman wrote:
> This is why I want to drop except because it presents a false boundary and 
> instead, we need a deffinition cutoff.  I agree that my answer is not 
> testable.  I'm actually not thinking that we will ever do flying with the 
> keyboard but may do more complex things than we are doing now and would not 
> like to limit that.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jan Richards" <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
> To: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net>
> Cc: "Jim Allan" <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>; "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
> 
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> I'm just afraid that "such that its complexity would overwhelm
> efficiency" isn't sufficiently testable.
> 
> BTW: For keyboard users who are blind, I wonder if the future
> improvement that will make the most difference for tasks such as
> painting and flying helicopters will be 2D haptic tablets, since they
> have the potential to provide the rich spatial feedback that is needed
> to use mouse/stylus/joystick devices.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jan
> 
> 
> David Poehlman wrote:
>> all the examples I have seen thus far talk about brush strokes and flying
>> helicopters and the like and not free hand drawing.  One idea is to come 
>> up
>> with language that gets the point across without hard coding an exception.
>> <<<an attempt>>>
>> 4.1.1 Keyboard Operation: All functionality can be *operated via the
>> keyboard* using *sequential* and/or *direct* keyboard commands that do
>> not require specific timings for individual keystrokes, except where the
>> underlying function requires input that depends on the path of the
>> user's movement and not just the endpoints, such that its complexity would
>> overwhelm efficiency.
>>>>> end of attempt<<<
>> Some tweaking may be in order here, to get across the actual point being
>> made for instance, taking out the except altogether and using a different
>> approach before the end note but as it currently stands above, it seems to
>> achieve the objective without compromise.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim Allan" <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
>> To: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:46 PM
>> Subject: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
>>
>>
>>
>> URL added for agenda item:
>> c. review compromise language for Level A success criteria
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0027.html
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Jim Allan
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:54 PM
>> To: 'Jan Richards'; 'WAI-UA list'
>> Subject: User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
>>
>>
>> User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Chair: Jim Allan
>> Date: Thursday, 10 April 2008
>> Time: 2:00-3:00 pm Boston Local Time, USA (19:00-20:00 UTC/GMT)
>> Call-in: Zakim bridge at: +1-617-761-6200, code 82941# for UK use
>> 44-117-370-6152
>> IRC: sever: irc.w3.org, port: 6665, channel: #ua.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Agenda:
>>
>> 0. Regrets, agenda requests, or comments to the list
>>
>> 1. Continue Keyboard Access discussion:
>>
>> a. review Keyboard Operation:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0004.html
>>
>> b. JR and JA attempts at requirements that include visual indicators:
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0052.html
>>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0053.html
>>
>> c. review compromise language for Level A success criteria...coming soon.
>> Will post addendum when url available.
>>
>> d. Review Level AA and AAA success criteria. Current text (see 4.1):
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-UAAG20-20080312/#principle-operable
>>
>> Jim Allan, Webmaster
>> Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
>> 1100 W. 45th St.
>> Austin, TX 78756
>> 512-206-9315
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 

-- 
Jan Richards, M.Sc.
User Interface Design Specialist
Adaptive Technology Resource Centre (ATRC)
Faculty of Information Studies
University of Toronto

   Email: jan.richards@utoronto.ca
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