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Re: Enumeration of EventListeners in DOM Level 3 Events

From: Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:19:23 -0600
To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
Cc: "Ian B. Jacobs" <ij@w3.org>, Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>, Ray Whitmer <rayw@netscape.com>, w3c-wai-ua@w3.org, www-dom@w3.org
Message-ID: <OFC011B9EA.DBCE60C1-ON86256B27.005930B9@raleigh.ibm.com>
Jon,

I agree there is a communication problem. I have a concern that
requirements submitted by the PF 1.5 years ago have not even been read by
some DOM WG members. If there were problems then we could have used the
time to address them.

Rich


Rich Schwerdtfeger
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IBM Accessibility Center
Research Division
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                    Jon Gunderson                                                             
                    <jongund@uiuc.       To:     Philippe Le Hegaret <plh@w3.org>, Richard    
                    edu>                  Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS                      
                                         cc:     Ray Whitmer <rayw@netscape.com>, "Ian B.     
                    12/18/2001            Jacobs" <ij@w3.org>, w3c-wai-ua@w3.org,             
                    11:50 AM              www-dom@w3.org                                      
                                         Subject:     Re: Enumeration of EventListeners in    
                                          DOM Level 3 Events                                  
                                                                                              
                                                                                              
                                                                                              



I think it is clear there needs to be better communication better UA/PF/DOM

on this issue.  To make the W3C process work we need to focus on making
sure we all understand the need and possible solutions.  The solutions can
come from past techniques or from new ideas, but let's use this discussion
to point out the technical deficiencies or capabilities of proposed
solutions in meeting the need.  If there were proposed specifications from
a year ago that are not apart of the current specification, it would be
more useful to discuss how the current specification differs from the
proposed specification and/or how the current specification could be
modified.

Jon


At 12:28 PM 12/18/2001 -0500, Philippe Le Hegaret wrote:
>Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
> >
> > Ray,
> >
> > It appears that you are complaining about issues that are a direct
result
> > of the DOM working group including only part of the requirements I had
> > placed on you for PF. What would you have me say? Stop shooting
yourself
> > with the arrows?
>
>Ray's comment is a valid comment from the DOM Working Group. We
participated
>in the WAI UA call last Friday to better understand the situation [1]. The
DOM
>Working Group does not reject the action item from the March meeting. We
are
>still committed to address it but we do not believe that the current
solution
>proposed in the DOM Level 3 Events draft in the right one. If you are not
>satisfied with the outcome of the teleconference, I suggest you to talk to
>the WAI UA/PF representatives and review the list of use cases [2]. For
the
>moment, we will continue to work with the WAI UA, WAI PF, and other WGs on

>events
>to find "a way to get the list of registered event handlers". btw, this is

>a UA
>requirement, not a PF one since it came up at the WAI UA/DOM joint f2f
>meeting.
>
>Regards,
>Philippe
>
>[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2001OctDec/0105.html
>[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2001OctDec/0151.html

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