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Re: Action Item: Mouse activate JavaScript

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:05:56 -0600
Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010214200507.027c0b70@staff.uiuc.edu>
To: "Richard Schwerdtfeger" <schwer@us.ibm.com>
Cc: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Rich,

Can you tell us if there is any interest or plans in the HPR group to 
implement this type of functionality?

Thanks,
Jon

At 01:53 PM 2/14/2001 -0600, Richard Schwerdtfeger wrote:
>Ian or Jon,
>
>Here is your answer regarding what HPR does with IE and what it might do.
>HPR does not implement the function you sugges as I mentioned earlier. Do I
>need to have Kip look into how to do this further?
>
>Bottom line: It may be possible to do this but it has not been implemented
>as user function in a product yet (at least not for HPR).
>
>Rich
>
>
>Rich Schwerdtfeger
>Senior Technical Staff Member
>IBM Accessibility Center
>Research Division
>EMail/web: schwer@us.ibm.com
>
>"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
>I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.",
>Frost
>---------------------- Forwarded by Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM on
>02/14/2001 01:47 PM ---------------------------
>
>Kip Harris
>02/14/2001 11:15 AM
>
>To:   Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>cc:   Tom Brunet/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Pete Brunet/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>From: Kip Harris/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>Subject:  Re: Mouse activate JavaScript  (Document link: Richard
>       Schwerdtfeger)
>
>Rich, I played around with this for about a half hour and wasn't able to
>get to the bottom of this.  My gut sense is that it is possible, though not
>straightforward.  Although we can automate clicks on a page element, it
>doesn't cause the javascript stuff to get invoked.  I think we could
>probably do this by the approach you suggest, that is, obtaining the
>javascript method and figuring out how to invoke the script interpreter to
>process it.
>
>Kip Harris
>IBM Accessibility Center
>Voice: 512-838-9902, IBM Tie  678-9902; Fax: 512-838-0070
>Internet: hkip@us.ibm.com
>
>
>Richard Schwerdtfeger
>02/13/2001 01:28 PM
>
>To:   Tom Brunet/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Kip Harris/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>cc:   Pete Brunet/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>From: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>Subject:  Mouse activate JavaScript
>
>
>
>Tom and/or Kip,
>
>Question:
>
>Does HPR have the ability to activate JavaScript atteched to an element
>that responds to html 1.0 device dependent events? Examples are onclick,
>onmouseover. From the attached it would seem not.
>
>If the reason is no is it because IE does not provide a function to do so?
>
>If I were to research this I'd assume IE would do so through some sort of
>object activation mechanism, a function provided by IE requiring a DOM
>associated CDATA JavaScript block, or even better an  event activation
>scheme such as a method to fire an event on an element.
>
>The reason I as is the the W3C WAI User Agents group is determining whether
>it should be priority 1 requirement to have a user agent support activation
>of device dependent event activation. To do this we would have to show a
>prior implementation.
>
>Note: in another WAI working group I am involved in I am trying to get rid
>of device dependent events and make them device independent.
>
>Rich
>
>
>Rich Schwerdtfeger
>Senior Technical Staff Member
>IBM Accessibility Center
>Research Division
>EMail/web: schwer@us.ibm.com
>
>"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -
>I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.",
>Frost
>---------------------- Forwarded by Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM on
>02/13/2001 01:17 PM ---------------------------
>
>From: Pete Brunet on 02/13/2001 10:40 AM
>
>To:   Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>cc:
>From: Pete Brunet/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>Subject:  Rendering invisible drop-downs on Microsoft.com
>
>
>Rich, This is somewhat related to the mouseover question you asked last
>week.  Hopefully Tom or Kip got in touch with you about the mouseover
>question you asked.
>
>Pete
>
>=====
>Pete Brunet -- IBM Accessibility Center, 11400 Burnet Road, MS 9151,
>Austin, TX  78758
>voice (512) 838-4594, TL 678-4594, fax (512) 838-2212, brunet@us.ibm.com,
>http://www.ibm.com/able, ws4g
>
>---------------------- Forwarded by Pete Brunet/Austin/IBM on 02/13/2001
>10:39 AM ---------------------------
>
>
>Kip Harris
>02/13/2001 09:54 AM
>
>
>
>To:   thatch@attglobal.net
>cc:   Catherine Laws/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Pete Brunet/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>
>From: Kip Harris/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>Subject:  Rendering invisible drop-downs on Microsoft.com
>Importance:    Normal
>
>
>Regarding drop-down boxes that appear on www.microsoft.com on mouseover.
>
>We're not doing anything intelligent here, and in this case, perhaps it
>works a little to our advantage.
>
>The links in the drop-down boxes that activate on mouseovers are actually
>present at all times in the DOM, even when they are not visible.  HPR
>doesn't do anything with visibility attribututes, so we just render them.
>I suspect the mouseover events just flip a visibility attribute.  Also, we
>don't do anything to figure out where they (the mouseover drop-down's)
>should appear in the document, we just render them where we find them.
>
>Kip Harris
>IBM Accessibility Center
>Voice: 512-838-9902, IBM Tie  678-9902; Fax: 512-838-0070
>Internet: hkip@us.ibm.com
>
>
>Jim Thatcher <thatch@attglobal.net> on 02/12/2001 03:59:24 PM
>
>Please respond to thatch@attglobal.net
>
>To:   Kip Harris/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>cc:   Catherine Laws/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, Pete Brunet/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
>Subject:
>
>
>
>Hi Kip,
>
>I have a question that relates to how HPR sees content that has been
>rendered to an internal frame (I believe) by JavaScript and is not visible.
>On http://www.microsoft.com all the links in mouseover dropdown menus are
>listed  by HPR between the last visible menu item (msn.com) and the Search
>dialog. These links are, of course, not visible. My question is do you do
>anything special so that HPR sees those links? If it isn't special, do you
>know what you do in HPR that screen readers don't do to cause those links
>to be seen?
>
>Jim
>jim@jimthatcher.com
>Accessibility Consulting
>http://jimthatcher.com
>512-306-0931
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
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