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Re: (Action) Issue 394: Proposed revision to checkpoint 2.1

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 10:15:50 -0600
Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010108101534.03151cd0@staff.uiuc.edu>
To: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>, w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Ian,
I think the new working is clearer.
Jon


At 07:45 PM 1/6/2001 -0500, Ian Jacobs wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Per my action item from the 30 November 2000 teleconference [1],
>please consider this proposed change to checkpoint 2.1 to resolve
>issue 394 [2]. The reviewer wrote:
>
>   "I feel the description of 2.1 is too vague on exactly what portions
>   of the content are satisfied by providing a document source
>   view. You say it's good enough for some things, but not everything,
>   and give a few examples but no clear guidance on how to extrapolate
>   to other cases."
>
> >From the 29 Dec 2000 draft:
>
><OLD 2.1>
>2.1 Make all content available through the user interface. [P1]
>
>   Note: Users must have access to the entire document object through
>   the user interface, including recognized equivalents, attributes,
>   style sheets, etc. This checkpoint does not require that all content
>   be available in every viewport. A document source view is an
>   important part of a solution for providing access to content, but is
>   not a sufficient solution on its own for all content. See guideline
>   5 for more information about programmatic access to content.
></OLD 2.1>
>
>Comments and observations:
>
>1) If a document source view alone is not a sufficient solution, then
>Notepad cannot conform to UAAG 1.0. (In any case, whether Notepad can
>conform at P2 depends on whether plain text meets the requirements of
>checkpoint 6.2.). I will assume for the moment that we don't want a
>user agent that consists only of a source view to conform.
>
>2) I think that 2.1 needs to state clearly that:
>
>   a) Most content will be used as rendered according to specification.
>      This means that in general, users will not read CSS style sheets
>      or scripts, but will experience their effects after processing.
>
>   b) 2.1 also requires a source view for viewing unprocessed content,
>      because there are cases where that is the only way for the user
>      to get information.
>
>3) It is possible to claim conformance for a user agent that doesn't
>feature a source view in conjunction with Notepad. [I don't mean to
>pick on Notepad <grin> - I mean any source-viewing tool here.] There
>is no requirement in UAAG 1.0 that the two pieces of software must be
>"integrated" to satisfy the requirements of the document.
>
>So, I propose making the document source view requirement more
>explicit in the checkpoint:
>
><NEW 2.1>
>2.1 Make all content available through the user interface.
>Offer a document source view in addition to other views. [P1]
>
>   Note: The user must have access to the entire document object
>   (including recognized equivalents, attributes, style sheets, etc.)
>   through the user interface. In most cases, the user views content
>   (markup, style sheets, scripts, etc.) after it has been processed.
>   A source view is required so that, as a last resort, the user may
>   consult the source when content is not accessible through any
>   other views. A document source view alone does not satisfy this
>   checkpoint. This checkpoint does not require that all content be
>   available in every viewport. See guideline 5 for more information
>   about programmatic access to content.
></NEW 2.1>
>
>  - Ian
>
>[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000OctDec/0364
>[2] http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear-lc2.html#394
>[3] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/WD-UAAG10-20001229/
>
>--
>Ian Jacobs (jacobs@w3.org)   http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs
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Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
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