- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:54:26 -0400
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
24 August 2000 UA Guidelines Teleconference Present: Jon Gunderson (Chair) Ian Jacobs (Scribe) Eric Hansen Kitch Barnicle Denis Anson Gregory Rosmaita David Poehlman Tim Lacy Dick Brown Harvey Bingham Rich Schwerdtfeger (for 2 minutes) Regrets: Mickey Quenzer Jim Allan Absent: Charles McCathieNevile Next meeting: 31 August Minutes of previous meeting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0256.html Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0293.html 1.Issue 310: What level of WCAG compliance should checkpoint 11.1 require or should it be relative priority? http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#310 JG: One option is to include in your conformance claim what at what level you conform to the documentation. IJ: This requires a reviewer to go look at the claim in detail. You don't know from "Level X" what the UA will have done for checkpoint 11.1. EH: Since P3 requirements "may help" accessibility, it seems like requiring that for UA 1.0 is too stringent. GR: Some WCAG 1.0 P3 requirements are very useful (e.g., acronyms). I think that it should be Level Triple-A in all cases. DP: If you're developing a UA and your documentation is on the Web, but your UA doesn't conform, that may be confusing. I agree with GR. IJ: The best documentation is no documentation... IJ: I hear three proposals: 1) Level Double-A always JG: This covers all things that would make access either impossible or difficult. One reason in particular: table formatting. DA: Why does documentation have to rise to a higher level than other checkpoints? EH: Note that since we're allowing conformance by composite UAs, the multiplicative effect is relevant. 2) Level Triple-A always 3) Relative priority DB, TL: Intriguing (graceful), but may be complicated. HB: Note that you could have bad, but accessible, documentation. KB: As I look at the P3 checkpoints in WCAG 1.0, I'm not convinced that all of them will make a difference. Some of them may, and perhaps the WCAG WG should re-evaluate checkpoint priorities. Level Double A minimal: KB, EH, DA, JG, IJ, DP, DB, TL Level Triple A minimal: HB, GR Resolved: Level Double minimal requirement for checkpoint 11.1. Note: There was dissent on this resolution. WG participants may request that their objections be carried forth. 5.Issue 309: Applicability needs review: how to tell when checkpoint MUST be followed. http://server.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#309 Refer to analyses: IJ: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2000/08/uaag10-applic EH: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000JulSep/0297.html EH: I think it's ok to have applicability issues, but the tighter our focus is for this document (type of UA we're intending this document for) the more the applicability issues disappear. For instance, we're talking about UAs that implement text, graphics, audio, and video. If you assume this in the target UA, you don't need applicability clauses for these content types. IJ: I agree with EH that the tighter the document, the fewer applicability provisions are necessary. But I am not comfortable with too much tightening (e.g., you have to implement audio in order to conform). EH: Note also that the less inapplicability, the greater the likelihood that conformance will translate to accessibility. IJ: EH has identified the "moving part" in the document: more flexibility to conform means you either say nothing about the moving part (let reasonable people interpret claims) or you point to them in applicability clauses. EH: I'm concerned about pursuing some of my proposals before some distinctions are addressed in WCAG. IJ: What about folding in the provision into the checkpoints? (e.g., if you support X, allow control of X). But this can get heavier as you have to combine provisions. EH: I think we need to remove "graphical" from our description of the target UA since graphics are not required by the document. GR: I think that the applicability provisions should be folded into the checkpoint somehow. Reduce work on the implementors. EH: Applicability provisions are pretty intuitive: if you don't support you don't have to do. If you explain this idea in one place, you don't need to repeat in each checkpoint. IJ: We didn't say for WCAG: "For any table that you use, use table headers." Resolved: a) Incorporate proposal (only four provisions) http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2000/08/uaag10-applic b) Include informative list of checkpoints for the remaining four. If the WG doesn't like this, get rid of. JG: Ask developers at last call whether they want applicability incorporated in the checkpoints. Resolved: Change "graphical general purpose UAs" to "general purpose UAs". IJ: EH, have we missed other pieces besides "native", "recognize", and "applicability" from your proposals? EH: Possibly "primary/alternative". IJ: We'll get to with issue 297, I think. 2.Issue 292: Review list of speech synthesizer characteristics (checkpoint 4.11) http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#292 HB: Gender and pitch are very similar. You could get away with gender alone. Some japanese users, for example, require more information in inflection. DA: Voice for a sighted person differ from requirements for a blind person. /* Reduce the list? */ HB: No, satisfied with current list. /* Add to the list? */ GR's proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2000AprJun/0467.html IJ: How do you tell your speech synthesizer what you want? If you're implementing CSS2 aural style sheets, I know how the mapping from content to rendering works. Otherwise? DA: It seems like that the user should be able to configure everything that's configurable. IJ Proposal: a) Leave speech synthesizer checkpoints as they are. b) Ensure that Voice Browser WG documents include accessibility features. There is a WG dedicated to this topic. GR: Need to ensure that UAs don't preclude users from configuring their speech synthesizer software. GR: Propose : speak-out, speak-punctuation, and number processing (as described in CSS2 speak-numeral). Resolved: a) Add verbiage for configuration of spelling, punctuation, and number processing offered by the speech engine. b) Get Voice Browser WG review of these three checkpoints in last call. c) Ensure coordination with VBWG for future coordination. Completed Action Items 1.IJ: Rewrite what "recognize" means based on user agent programmed functionalities. Refer to 18 August draft -- Ian Jacobs (jacobs@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs Tel: +1 831 457-2842 Cell: +1 917 450-8783
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