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RE: priority of 5.8

From: Denis Anson <danson@miseri.edu>
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:00:08 -0500
To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <unagi69@concentric.net>
Cc: "User Agent Guidelines Emailing List" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Message-ID: <OCEDIDJABCKNMLGMBFLGIEFICFAA.danson@miseri.edu>
Gregory,

No, not at all.  Your example was about installing the software.  If the
installation requires assistance, that isn't an "end of the world" issue.
If you can't use it after its installed, then we have a P1 issue.  It's the
difference between difficult and impossible that I was referring to.


Denis Anson, MS, OTR
Assistant Professor
College Misericordia
301 Lake St.
Dallas, PA 18612

Member since 1989:
RESNA: An International Association of Assistive Techology Professionals
Website: http://www.resna.org
RESNA ANNUAL CONFERENCE -- "RESNA 2000"
ORLANDO, FL, JUNE 28 -- July 2, 2000

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org]On Behalf
Of Gregory J. Rosmaita
Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 3:29 PM
To: Denis Anson
Cc: User Agent Guidelines Emailing List
Subject: RE: priority of 5.8

aloha, denis!

i strongly resent your use of the "desert island" scenario...   i happen to
live in a brownstone with 4 other persons, all of whom are fully sighted,
but
that doesn't mean that they are always around to act as screen readers when
my
screen reader crashes or to assist me when my screen reader is unable to
interpret an interface or web page...

furthermore, i don't understand your logic -- are you saying that even if i
need someone to sit by my side as i surf the web or use an online banking
system to handle my personal finances, or install or reinstall a piece of
software, that this isn't a P1 issue?  would you call dependence upon
another
individual accessibility?  i sure as hell wouldn't...

i reject your argument that 5.8 is only a P2 issue because i could always
get
sighted assistance...  if i can't configure a user agent by MYSELF, then it
cannot be considered UAGL compliant...  if i can't install the user agent
MYSELF, then it cannot be considered UAGL compliant at any level...

and what could be more unusable than a piece of software that i can't
install
or configure MYSELF without assistance?  if there's no one around to assist,
then it IS impossible to use, denis...

5.8 is a P1, plain and simple,
gregory.

At 03:02 PM 12/3/99 -0500, Dennis wrote:
>Gregory,
>
>The P1 standard is that the software will be unusable without the feature
or
>functionality.  P2 means that it will be difficult to use without the
>functionality.  Installation by another person may make the software more
>difficult to install and configure, but unless you are residing on a desert
>island by yourself, it probably doesn't make it impossible to use.
>
>Denis Anson, MS, OTR
>Assistant Professor
>College Misericordia
>301 Lake St.
>Dallas, PA 18612
>
>Member since 1989:
>RESNA: An International Association of Assistive Techology Professionals
>Website: http://www.resna.org
>RESNA ANNUAL CONFERENCE -- "RESNA 2000"
>ORLANDO, FL, JUNE 28 -- July 2, 2000
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org]On Behalf
>Of Gregory J. Rosmaita
>Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 2:40 PM
>To: User Agent Guidelines Emailing List
>Subject: priority of 5.8
>
>aloha, y'all!
>
>can someone refresh my (obviously failing) memory, and explain to me why
>Checkpoint 5.8 is only P2?
>
>here's the checkpoint text:
>
>quote
>Follow operating system conventions and accessibility settings. In
>particular, follow conventions for user interface design, default keyboard
>configuration, product installation, and documentation. [Priority 2]
>unquote
>
>seems to me that this is a P1 as P1 gets...  if i can't install or
>reinstall the software, what good is it?  if i can't get all of the
>information that a sighted user can get when i choose the custom
>installation, and moving focus from one item to the next in a list box
>causes a portion of the screen to update with a description of the items,
>their function, and the amount of memory needed to install them, then is
>user agent accessible?
>
>no, i ain't, and 5.8 ought to be -- must be -- a Priority 1
>
>        gregory.
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>He that lives on Hope, dies farting
>     -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763
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>Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
>   WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC
>        <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html>
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He that lives on Hope, dies farting
     -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763
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Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
   WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC
        <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html>
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