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Re: netscape keybindings section

From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:39:58 -0500
Message-ID: <383955BE.529AD664@w3.org>
To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@staff.uiuc.edu>
CC: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <unagi69@concentric.net>, User Agent Guidelines Emailing List <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Jon Gunderson wrote:
> 
> Ian,
> I think Gregory just wants the table extended to include keyboard
> navigation techniques for access the help system to show where there are
> some other problems with NN.

I don't think we should indicate that there are problems with NN
in the Techniques doc.

 - Ian

> 
> At 03:04 PM 11/21/99 -0500, Ian Jacobs wrote:
> >"Gregory J. Rosmaita" wrote:
> >>
> >> aloha, y'all!
> >>
> >> it still really bothers me that there is still no mention of the lack of
> >> keyboard accessibility (including the inability to close NetHelp via the
> >> standard Windows95 keybinding for that action) in the Netscape Navigator
> >> Keyboard Shortcuts section of the Techniques document...
> >
> >Hi Gregory,
> >
> >I'm not sure what action to take based on your comment.
> >
> >1) Do you mean that Netscape should be told that their UA is
> >not accessible through the keyboard?
> >
> >2) Do you mean that inclusion of the NN binding table suggests
> >that NN is accessible but it's not?
> >
> >3) Do you mean that we should say explicitly in the Techniques
> >Document that NN is not accessible?
> >
> >I think one is a good idea. Two is a possibility, but I don't
> >think necessary. Three I don't agree with.
> >
> >If there is an action item to figure out about keyboard access
> >to the help system, I'm unaware of it since it's not indicated in
> >the minutes of [1] as an action item.
> >
> >[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0331.html
> >
> >> http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-USERAGENT-TECHS/tech-document-default-input
> >>
> >> please refer to my posts on this topic, archived at:
> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0231.html
> >> and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0232.html
> >>
> >> i understood, on the basis of jon's post, archived at:
> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0237.html
> >> that my comments were to be rolled into the Navigator Keyboard Shortcuts
> >> section, and that others would investigate keyboard support for NetHelp
> >> under Unix and on the Mac, but so far, there has (apparently) been no such
> >> action taken...
> >
> >I only understand Jon's comment "we need to add functions related to
> >help" as a confirmation of the issue.
> >
> >What are proposing to add to the techniques?
> >
> > - Ian
> >
> >> the lack of keyboard support, labels for graphics, and the inability to
> >> close the NetHelp window from the keyboard is a major problem with the help
> >> system that comes bundled with Navigator, and its current design and lack
> >> of functionality violates several checkpoints, and it should be documented
> >> as such...
> >>
> >> please note that this is not an attack on Netscape, but an attempt to
> >> illustrate the fact that many applications which feature robust keyboard
> >> support for the application's UI, fail to provide similar support for the
> >> help system...
> >
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >> Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
> >>    WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC
> >>         <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------
> >
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