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RE: Rethinking the necessities of ARIA landmark role "main" and HTML5 <main> element

From: Léonie Watson <tink@tink.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 08:50:50 -0000
To: "'Ian Hickson'" <ian@hixie.ch>, "'JF'" <john@foliot.ca>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <00c401ce2ac8$2eca9fe0$8c5fdfa0$@tink.co.uk>
Ian Hickson wrote:
"In the interface I am proposing, there is no repeated questioning. The user indicates to the software that the user wishes to skip uninteresting content and jump to interesting content, in a single action (exactly the same kind of action as is used to jump to a header, or to jump to a specific landmark role). Then, the user agent skips all uninteresting content and jumps straight to the content the user wants (the same content as would be marked with <main> or role=main)."

>From the user's point of view I think this is right. The phrases "interesting" and "uninteresting" are too subjective to be helpful, but essentially a single command that moves focus to the start of the main content area of the page is the goal.

>From an implementation point of view I think this is inefficient. It's more reliable and less process intensive to move from A to Z, than it is to move from A, to B, to C, to D and so on until all that remains by a process of elimination is Z.

So if the goal is to have a single mechanism for moving directly to a given point on the page, what's the hook the UA uses to make that possible?


Léonie.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Hickson [mailto:ian@hixie.ch] 
Sent: 27 March 2013 02:11
To: JF
Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: RE: Rethinking the necessities of ARIA landmark role "main" and HTML5 <main> element

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013, JF wrote:
>
> A man arrives at the San Jose airport in Silicon Valley.
> 
> "I want to go to the campus" he tells the cab driver.
> 
> "The Stanford campus?", asks the cabbie.
>
> [...]

Could you explain to me how this analogy corresponds to the discussion? In the interface I am proposing, there is no repeated questioning. The user indicates to the software that the user wishes to skip uninteresting content and jump to interesting content, in a single action (exactly the same kind of action as is used to jump to a header, or to jump to a specific landmark role). Then, the user agent skips all uninteresting content and jumps straight to the content the user wants (the same content as would be marked with <main> or role=main).

The user experience is _exactly_ the same as the experience possible with explicit landmark roles. The only difference is how it is marked up.

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