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Re: SV: SV: SV: in-page text-to-speech

From: Brian Cragun <cragun@us.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:28:19 -0500
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <OF74F5E13E.4960EA72-ON86257A5C.007A1F5C-86257A5C.007B60EC@us.ibm.com>
Wayne,

I understand exactly what you're saying..  Thus my purpose is asking 
whether it was required or recommended. 
Regards, 

Brian





Brian Cragun
IBM AbilityLab Consultant
IBM Master Inventor
IBM Research 
Tel: 720-663-2801
E-mail: cragun@us.ibm.com 


 



















From:   Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
To:     Brian Cragun/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS, 
Cc:     w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Date:   08/16/2012 05:09 PM
Subject:        Re: SV: SV: SV: in-page text-to-speech



If Sweden or any other country requires in-page text-to-speech or
in-page text-enlargement then this is a major departure from standards
harmonization.  It really opens the door to inaccessible sites that
provide inadequate accessibility support.

Put your effort in WCAG 2.0 Level AA compliance.  Text-to-speech works
on a WCAG 2.0 Level AA site, and text-only enlargement is available to
a greater extent than any in-page enlargement provides.

We really don't need to invent unnecessary jobs for developers.  In
the US there is absolutely no such requirement.  Also, if you have a
site with in-page accommodation that fails WCAG the sight is
inaccessible.

Wayne

On 8/16/12, Brian Cragun <cragun@us.ibm.com> wrote:
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> From:   "Morten Tollefsen" <morten@medialt.no>
> To:     Brian Cragun/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS,
> Cc:     "Adam Cooper" <cooperad@bigpond.com>, "Harry Loots"
> <harry.loots@ieee.org>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>,
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> Date:   08/16/2012 02:43 AM
> Subject:        SV: SV: SV: in-page text-to-speech
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> Hi!
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> I got the following answer from Rudolph Brynn (Standards Norway):
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> 1)  These are required for "public institutions".  I assume that means
> government, including schools.  Obviously it is not required but
> recommended for business.  Does the requirement extend to any other
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> It is primarily for public institutions, meaning on government, county 
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> municipal levels. But also recommendations for private enterprises, I
> would assume in particular those in touch with the public authorities in
> public procurement contracts.
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> 2)  I understand these to be requirements.   What happens if the
> requirements are not met.  Are there laws associated with the
> requirements?  Or are these more like guidelines?
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> They are guidelines for public authorities, not legal acts nor 
standards.
> They have no legal effect as Sweden has not an accessibility act like
> Norway but follow the EU regulations on public procurements, which
> requires design for all to be part of planning/technical specifications
> concerning tenders. Only the Swedish standardisation body, SIS may 
publish
> regular standards, be they national (SS), European (EN) or international
> (ISO). As in Norway.
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> 3)  Can you help me understand what the difference is between Priority 1
> and Priority 2?  Is Priority 1 mandatory, and Priority 2 optional?
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> I understand it is a matter of importance, you should definitely 
implement
> the Priority 1, then P2 and then P3 - but refer to the other answers.
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> 4)  Further when I look at the requirement for TTS on R11, it uses the
> (translated word) Recommendation for TTS, instead of requirement.  Can 
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> Like the other parts of the guideline, a recommendation. Only if a 
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> legal act refers to the guidelines/standards related to them, we talk of
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> Priorities: What Rudolph writes above is probably correct. The only
> explanation I've found is:
> "Prioritet 1 till 3. Riktlinjerna har getts en prioritet från 1 till 3. 
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> ni behöver prioritera börja med de riktlinjer som har prioritet 1.
> Därefter kan riktlinjerna med prioritet 2 och 3 hanteras."
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> Priority 1 to 3 The guidelines have been given priorities from 1 to 3. 
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> you have to prioritize start with the priority 1 guidelines and 
thereafter
> continue with the priority 2 and 3 guidelines.
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> - Morten
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> Fra: Brian Cragun [mailto:cragun@us.ibm.com]
> Sendt: 15. august 2012 15:30
> Til: Morten Tollefsen
> Kopi: Adam Cooper; Harry Loots; Patrick H. Lauke; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Emne: Re: SV: SV: in-page text-to-speech
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> Morton,
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> Thanks for the links.  With Google Translate, (and some very rusty 
Danish
> skills) I think I understand most of this.  May I ask some clarifying
> questions?  (To help me understand detail that is not quite coming 
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> the translation. )
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> 1)  These are required for "public institutions".  I assume that means
> government, including schools.  Obviously it is not required but
> recommended for business.  Does the requirement extend to any other
> entities?
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> 2)  I understand these to be requirements.   What happens if the
> requirements are not met.  Are there laws associated with the
> requirements?  Or are these more like guidelines?
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> 3)  Can you help me understand what the difference is between Priority 1
> and Priority 2?  Is Priority 1 mandatory, and Priority 2 optional?
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> 4)  Further when I look at the requirement for TTS on R11, it uses the
> (translated word) Recommendation for TTS, instead of requirement.  Can 
you
> help me understand how mandatory the TTS requirement is?
> Regards,
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> Brian
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> IBM AbilityLab Consultant
> IBM Master Inventor
> IBM Research
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> From:        "Morten Tollefsen" <morten@medialt.no>
> To:        Brian Cragun/Rochester/IBM@IBMUS,
> Cc:        "Adam Cooper" <cooperad@bigpond.com>, "Harry Loots"
> <harry.loots@ieee.org>, "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>,
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> Date:        08/15/2012 03:22 AM
> Subject:        SV: SV: in-page text-to-speech
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> Hi, Brian!
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> Of course, here it is:
> http://www.webbriktlinjer.se/

> As far as I have been able to figure out this is a standard.
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> I’ve commented a little bit, but this is in Norwegian and is therefore
> probably not very interesting/useful:
> http://medialt.no/vgledningen-fr-webbutveckling/1175.aspx

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> BR: Morten Tollefsen
> www.medialt.no, +47 908 99 305
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> Fra: Brian Cragun [mailto:cragun@us.ibm.com]
> Sendt: 14. august 2012 15:45
> Til: Morten Tollefsen
> Kopi: Adam Cooper; Harry Loots; Patrick H. Lauke; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Emne: Re: SV: in-page text-to-speech
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> Morten,
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> Can you please provide a reference to the Swedish standard you speak of?
>  And, is it just a recommendation or a standard?
> Regards,
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> IBM AbilityLab Consultant
> IBM Master Inventor
> IBM Research
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> From:        "Morten Tollefsen" <morten@medialt.no>
> To:        "Harry Loots" <harry.loots@ieee.org>, "Adam Cooper"
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> Cc:        "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>,
> <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> Date:        08/14/2012 05:19 AM
> Subject:        SV: in-page text-to-speech
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> Hi, Harry!
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> I totally agree.
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> In some new Swedish guidelines for web developments (only public
> authorities have to follow these) accessibility is one of the 
categories.
> The first guideline say: follow WCAG 2. The other 43 accessibility
> guidelines cover forms, languages, links and other things. In one of the
> guidelines it is stated that talking websites are required! I was quite
> surprised when I read this! If I counted correctly, 33 of the 44
> guidelines in the accessibility section are also found under usability☺!
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> Morten
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