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Re: "untill user agents" retired?

From: David Poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:07:43 -0500
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Cc: wai-ig list <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
To: "Patrick H. Lauke" <redux@splintered.co.uk>


How do I get a user agent to allow a person who is using screen  
magnification and is sitting on a blank space to tell that person  
that the blank space they are sitting on is infact an text input  
area?  This person is also color blind and hearing impaired.  I do  
not understand what harm removing the "untill user agents" from the  
guidelines as written to supply a fork for those who need the  
functionality that they provide does to detract from progress.  If  
Noscript were used properly, it would be a magnificent thing for all  
kinds of reasons.

No matter what tricks we employ, the issues for people remain the  
same so unless we're going to see radical changes in computer systems  
in the near future toward person centric rather than some other  
centric design, we need all the help we can get.

Jonnie Apple Seed
With his:
Hands-On Technolog(eye)s

On Jan 31, 2006, at 4:58 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:

David Poehlman wrote:

> As I mentioned in my other message, older is not the issue.

No, it's "this is a W3C guideline on how to best use W3C standards  
and their accessibility features, but this user agent (old, new,  
whatever) does not follow W3C standards".

> Also, let's not forget that no matter how new the technology, we'll  
> always have the conditions and if we take some of the things away  
> which assist in mittigating those conditions, we've lost not gained  
> ground.  How about a base line with a fork?

The fork should only be: the techniques outlined in the guidelines  
are meant for user agents that understand and use W3C standards  
properly. For user agents which are flawed, here's a bunch of stop- 
gap solutions that may or may not work.

Again, it would be best to solve the problem at the source (get these  
new user agents to work properly, follow the standards, follow UAAG,  
etc) though.

Patrick H. Lauke
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