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RE: accessible banking:

From: <Kurt_Mattes@bankone.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:22:42 -0500
Message-ID: <0584ECD1CBF7094FB608B2E019765A2601136C4F@swilnts813.wil.fusa.com>
To: <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>, <kpierce2000@earthlink.net>, <John.Carpenter@pdms.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

Does "The law should read that anyone should be able to access 
and fully use any tehnology appropriate for a task and which fits their 
needs." include any browser capable of connecting to the Internet?

Kurt Mattes


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of david poehlman
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:10 AM
To: Kelly Pierce; John Carpenter; wai-ig list
Subject: Re: accessible banking:



Kelly and all, the laws are flawed in this fashion.  they assume lack of 
people function when the issue is lack of technology function.  I just read a piece on this in fact from the ncd called "righting the ada" which sadly carries this mal assumption forward.  90 ercent or more of the issues we face are artificial and the sooner they are dealt with, the better.  It is as you point out 2005 and was not right in any age to task technology with setting the tone for people's lives but rather technology should be tasked to serve us.

I did state in my message that this has nothing to do with law, but perhaps I was in error.  The law should read that anyone should be able to access and fully use any tehnology appropriate for a task and which fits their 
needs.  There are many places in the country and in the world where is is a mis fit and always will be.

Johnnie Apple Seed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelly Pierce" <kpierce2000@earthlink.net>
To: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>; "John 
Carpenter" <John.Carpenter@pdms.com>; "wai-ig list" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: accessible banking:




From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
To: "Kelly Pierce" <kpierce2000@earthlink.net>; "John Carpenter"
<John.Carpenter@pdms.com>; "wai-ig list" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: accessible banking:


> Part of accessibility is choice.  I should be able to access any web site
> with any combination of user agent and technology accessibly and it be
> accessible.  Is this a tall order?  Yes, is it necessary, yes.

**Not under the Americans with Disabilities Act.  As long as the means of
communication made available to you is effective, I.e. allowing you to
complete a certain task, then the bank has fulfilled its access obligations.
Under the ADA, courts view access by functional performance, not by process.
they also don't consider optimal or preferential means but the means that is
sufficient to complete the specified task.  You may choose not to use
Internet Explorer, but in 2005 I have not seen an argument saying that it is
unreasonable or insufficient to require people with disabilities only to use
Internet Explorer to access online banking services.  It seems like you want
access beyond what is required beyond that of the ADA.

Kelly










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