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RE: Re: Accessibility of "CHM" format resources

From: John Colby <John.Colby@uce.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 06:33:57 +0100
Message-ID: <294B4B3243E76C4BA4FF7F54003B3BE1C23CCD@exchangea.staff.uce.ac.uk>
To: "Orion Adrian" <orion.adrian@gmail.com>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Many thanks for that information. It seems that Brainbench will not give us what we require. I was looking for gradute and postgraduate level material for designers rather than electronic testing, which I do with my first year undergraduates. What is offered is too much down the scale of the Bloom's Taxonomy - it doesn't really test the synthesis, judgement and critical appraisal that I'm looking for, merely some aspects of knowledge. And certainly the 'Master' level is far removed from the Masters (MSc) level courses I'm involved with and teach here in the UK, so the nomenclature would not be acceptable in an academic environment. 
 
I see that others have already responded to the main CSS observation. Had you hoped to open substantive debate then incorrect statements will naturally get hammered down.
 
I will make but one comment: In even attempting to follow pixel perfection you seem to be oncentrating on the display of pages on a PC with not much consideration of other devices such as phones or PDAs, and then ignoring the alternative devices such as text and speech readers. Use of CSS in the correct way and targetted at the correct device will style the content effectively for each device. This is an undoubted benefit for those who have to use alternative devices (and I am not here limiting Accessiblility to those who are disabled in some way) and expands the potential user base of any page. Any hacks are, in my experience, mainly to get round the failings of a single browser that is manufactured by a company who subscribes to the Standards body you criticise.
 
And having replied to this mail just because the dogs wanted to go out and got me up to do so just makes me realise how much of a sad person that I am - and my diary has just told me that it's Sir Tim Berners-Lee's 50th birthday tomorrow (8th June) - so now, being too late to go back to bed it's get ready to go to work.
 
John

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Orion Adrian [mailto:orion.adrian@gmail.com] 
	Sent: Mon 06/06/2005 22:13 
	To: John Colby 
	Cc: 
	Subject: Re: Re: Accessibility of "CHM" format resources
	
	

	I've been programming professionally for about 6 years and have
	various certifications from Brainbench and other bodies. I can access
	Brainbench certifications. The others were paid for by the contracting
	companies that were testing me.
	
	I can e-mail you my certification tests directly from Brainbench.
	
	I would have more, but they are expensive to take when you're an
	independant contractor.
	
	Orion Adrian
	
	On 6/6/05, John Colby <John.Colby@uce.ac.uk> wrote:
	> 
	> I'd be interested to know about your qualifications because we're looking
	> for some certification bodies.
	>  
	> John
	> 
	> 
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org on behalf of Cheryl D. Wise
	> Sent: Mon 06/06/2005 20:19
	> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
	> Cc:
	> Subject: RE: Re: Accessibility of "CHM" format resources
	>
	>
	> 
	>
	> Orion,
	>
	> We aren't really trying to nitpick but I for one am interested in learning
	> what certification you have.
	>
	> There are several out there including those from CIW (Certified Internet
	> Webmaster administered by several services that also administer other better
	> known certifications like MCSE, Cisco, etc.) and WOW (World Organization of
	> Webmasters, accredited by the US Dept. Of Education), as well as HTML
	> Writer's Guild/International Association of Webmasters.  Even Brainbench is
	> offering a certification in web design.
	>
	> The Guild of Accessible Web Designers (GAWDS) has been considering offering
	> a certification in accessible web design but it is in the early stages of
	> discussing what sort of testing or other proof of skills/application of
	> skills as well as what skills would need to be assessed. As a Guild member
	> who has been interested in the minimal discussion we've been having so far
	> I'm interested in other accreditation/certification entities. Especially
	> since partnership with someone already offering related certifications is
	> something worth considering.
	>
	> Cheryl D. Wise
	> Certified Professional Web Developer -
	> World Organization of Web Masters
	> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
	> http://wiserways.com

	> http://starttoweb.com

	>
	>
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: Orion Adrian
	>
	> I was not trying to use them as a qualification of my opinion because I am
	> certified. I should have said instead, I have been working closely with CSS
	> 1 and 2 for years and understand them well. I was merely trying to qualify
	> two points 1) I understand the languages well and 2) I've been working with
	> them for a long time.
	>
	> Orion Adrian
	>
	>
	>
	

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