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RE: License conditions Re: aDesigner - was Re: Bobby - a bad tool

From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:16:37 -0400 (EDT)
To: "Kevin O'Sullivan" <Kevin.OSullivan@internexusgroup.co.uk>
cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410281213560.32324@smart.net>

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kevin O'Sullivan wrote:

> I don't see what the problem is regarding paying for software that costs a great deal to develop. Seems like everyone wants everything for free on the internet.

I don't see a problem with paying for software, BUT I OPPOSE being
REQUIRED to purchase software and hardware to USE the public web.

there is a big difference between visiting a website and being forced to
purchase a specific set software packages just to be able to see the site.

vs

someone selling a product that will make my life easier, but not something
that I do not have a choice of purchasing to be able to use something else

Bob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Jim Tobias
> Sent: 28 October 2004 15:24
> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: License conditions Re: aDesigner - was Re: Bobby - a bad
> tool
>
>
>
> What's going on here?
>
> 1. Anyone who's tried aDesigner knows it's a pretty good tool.  It's as good
> as some of the tools that cost money.  Any dissent on that?  From my use of
> it, it's an excellent training tool as well as an evaluation tool with some
> features not found elsewhere, especially the low vision evaluation window.
>
> 2. We blow hot and cold on commercial involvement.  On the one hand we want
> companies to take accessibility seriously.  On the other hand we don't want
> anyone to make any money doing so.
>
> 3. It's quite likely that the current conditions in the license are out of
> the hands of aDesigner's team.  In any event, is it diabolical of IBM to
> protect its IP in the event that it becomes a commercial product?  Does this
> seem to people on this list as a
> "first-one's-free-now-you're-hooked-and-the-price-is-one-MILLION-dollars-bwa
> hahaha" game?
>
>
> Geez, what ever happened to being supportive towards professional
> colleagues?
>
> *****
> Jim Tobias
> Inclusive Technologies
> tobias@inclusive.com
> 732.441.0831 v/tty
> www.inclusive.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org
> > [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Lauke
> > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:32 AM
> > To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> > Subject: RE: License conditions Re: aDesigner - was Re: Bobby
> > - a bad tool
> >
> >
> > So, to sum it up: look, but don't touch, and even if you like
> > what you see
> > there's still no guarantee that we'll ever release it as a
> > commercial product.
> >
> > Nice.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@sidar.org]
> > > Sent: 28 October 2004 12:03
> > > To: Phill Jenkins
> > > Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> > > Subject: License conditions Re: aDesigner - was Re: Bobby -
> > a bad tool
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I read the license. As I understand it, I am allowed to use
> > this for a
> > > maximum of 90 days from the time I install it (which is where
> > > I agree to
> > > the license), and only for testing it, not for any actual usage. In
> > > fulfilling the license I am also required to keep a record of
> > > when I have
> > > copied it.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, if IBM releases some commercial product based
> > on this, my
> > > right to use it expires immediately, and I have to buy the comercial
> > > product.
> > >
> > > At the end of either 90 days or the release of commercial
> > > product by IBM I
> > > have ten days to remove this from my system.
> > >
> > > Then there are a set of conditions that apply according to
> > > the country I
> > > was in when I downloaded the software. In general they
> > > specify particular
> > > courts where we agree to handle any legal dispute over the
> > software or
> > > license, and occasionally they add notes pointing out that
> > the general
> > > conditions of teh warranty are not valid in some jurisdictions.
> > >
> > > Since I only intend to evaluate the thing, this seems fine.
> > But anyone
> > > who, for example, wanted their university web designers to
> > > use it in order
> > > to produce more accessible production content, would be in
> > > violation of
> > > the license, and liable for damages (likely to be the cost of any
> > > comercial version or commercial license).
> > >
> > > Does this sound right, or did I miss something?
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > Chaals
> > >
> > > --
> > > Charles McCathieNevile           charles@sidar.org
> > >                  http://www.sidar.org
> > >
> > > <quote who="Phill Jenkins">
> > > > I won't comment on the other tools, but I do need to let
> > > you all know
> > > > about a new kind of a tool from IBM alphaWorks called
> > > aDesigner.  It does
> > > > things no other tools do.  It simulates barriers
> > > experienced by people who
> > > > have disabilities so that Web designers can ensure that
> > > their pages are
> > > > accessible and usable.
> > > >
> > > > It is available for evaluation from
> > > > http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner
> > > >
> > > > Besides the IBM alphaWorks forum discussions, Jim Thatcher
> > > has posted the
> > > > only other opinion about it that I know of.
> > > >  http://www.jimthatcher.com/news.htm
> > > >
> > > > btw, although Jim says: "It's free", please read the
> > > alphaWorks license
> > > > which let's you evaluate it, not deploy it into production.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Phill Jenkins
> > > > IBM Worldwide Accessibility Center
> > > > http://www.ibm.com/able
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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