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Re: Layout versus data tables proposal for null summary attribute

From: david poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:38:04 -0400
Message-ID: <002401c48d2e$28b1ced0$6401a8c0@DAVIDPC>
To: "Joe Clark" <joeclark@joeclark.org>, "WAI-IG" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

from my experience and from my work on the uaawg, Jaws is not a user agent.
A user agent in and of its self renders web content.  Try rendering an html
file with out a user agent using jaws and it might come up in notepad but
you'd get the raw data.  It might come up in word pad but you would get raw
data.  It might show up in word, but there is no guarantee that it would be
accessible, but oh, that rub again, there is something else doing the
rendering.  We need to be real clear on what is and what is not a user agent
here lest we stumble over our feet think ing that we can code for jaws and
our work is done.

Johnnie Apple Seed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Clark" <joeclark@joeclark.org>
To: "WAI-IG" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Layout versus data tables proposal for null summary attribute

> Jaws retrieves nothing, It renders nothing.

An exective from Freedom Scientific explicitly denied that claim. It
relies on IE for rendering *and does its own rendering* and calculation.

> The guidelines were written to
> take a wide array of combinations into account so what 2 really means is
> that jaws together with a user agent is a user agent.

Jaws together with a browser are *two* user agents.


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