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Re: Can User Agents adopt the lists that screen readers so eleqently do?

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:12:22 -0600
To: sdale@stevendale.com
Cc: andrew_kirkpatrick@wgbh.org, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-Id: <375978ac.28c2bf86.9199400@expms1.cites.uiuc.edu>

There is a beta version available of a free IE extension 
that will provide lists of the following information in 
dialog boxes:

1. Links (Alt-F12)
2. Headers (Alt-F11)
3. Accesskeys (Alt-F9)
4. Links in MAP elements (links defined with either AREA or 
A elements) (Alt-F10)
5. Configuration (Alt-F8)

More information and download at:


---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 00:36:29 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Steven Dale" <sdale@stevendale.com>  
>Subject: Can User Agents adopt the lists that screen 
readers so eleqently do?  
>To: <sdale@stevendale.com>
>Cc: <andrew_kirkpatrick@wgbh.org>, <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
>Steven Dale said:
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick said:
>>> Ideally, users or people who are in a position to help 
should try
>>> different solutions.
>> Hopefully they will work -- a good user agent
>>> would be a lot easier than dealing with sites with no 
skip links. If
>>> you
>>>  consider the number of designers that are not willing 
to put in a
>>> single  visible skip link, let alone several, I have a 
difficult time
>>> believing  that skip links are the solution you hope 
they are.
>>> AWK
>> Possibly... But designers dont use Headings and continue 
to use styles
>> to change the heading text which makes user agents unable 
know what is
>> symantically a heading and what is just styled text.
>> I would hope that, through effective website designing 
>> skipping of and to certain areas of content) AND user 
agents that can
>> truly handle multiple modes of input/output, web 
accessiblity would be
>> taken for granted.  I am not arguing against better UAs,  
I am arguing
>> for better website design to complement better UAs.
>> -Steve
>Actually, I wonder if User Agents could offer a list of 
>with the capability of setting the focus to a selected 
link/header in the
>list? Similar to screen readers but in a side window? This 
would aleviate
>the need for designers to code skip links or even some 
menus and just (or
>almost) mark up the page with content, headings, and links 
to other pages.
> Images would be under content in this scenerio ( I am not 
>about changing this part ) But, what about adding a 
capability to list
>images/figures too?  As in a printed document with a table 
of figures.
Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
College of Applied Life Studies
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
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