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Re: Scripting (was RE: Accessible road maps)

From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:12:33 -0400 (EDT)
To: david poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Cc: Kurt_Mattes@bankone.com, foliot@wats.ca, kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com, sdale@stevendale.com, pjenkins@us.ibm.com, david@djwhome.demon.co.uk, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0406021310560.7080@smart.net>

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, david poehlman wrote:

> ...and if we are talking highways, if the pot holes are longer than the
> car...

I drive a VW and some of the local pot holes are longer...but I think what
I was trying to get accross was missed,

 I'm not saying the rest of the world needs to be immediately upgraded but
rather we have to make sure the web remains accessible to them!


Bob

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> Subject: RE: Scripting (was RE: Accessible road maps)
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>
> Understood, and grateful they should be to have any access in San Juan de
> LiMay, Nicaragua.  There are many areas on the planet where the WORLD wide
> web is not available and people die everyday that may have been saved if
> there was access.  Who should pay to run the phone lines to these people, or
> pay for wireless access and hardware and training.  Then again, who paid to
> upgrade my lines, my PC, the training I have, the added fees for slow
> connections to poor sites I lived through in the early 1990's?  Why do you
> think a VW Beetle should keep pace with a Ferrari?  Perhaps you need to
> focus on the fact that the VW gets you on the highway, which is far more
> than many others have.
>
> Kurt Mattes
> Application Development Analyst - Lead Developer
> Kurt_Mattes@BankOne.com
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Access Systems [mailto:accessys@smart.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 12:48 PM
> To: Mattes, Kurt (Bank One)
> Cc: foliot@wats.ca; kerstin.goldsmith@oracle.com; sdale@stevendale.com;
> pjenkins@us.ibm.com; david@djwhome.demon.co.uk; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Scripting (was RE: Accessible road maps)
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 Kurt_Mattes@bankone.com wrote:
>
> > More on the WANT vs NEED debate.  Makes me wonder...do we NEED the
> > Internet or WANT it?  How did anyone ever survive without it or cell
>
> yes, in the teaming metropolis of San Juan de LiMay Nicaragua the sole
> doctor uses a very slow internet link (frequently the voice phones are
> unusable) if the phone line is very clean I think he can get 2400 baud to
> consult with the nearest hospital about 3 hours away via very lousy roads.
>
> in the past, many of his patients died!   this is not an accessibility
> issue but it is an important point to consider when this guy or thousands
> like him around the world are trying to get information from modern
> hospitals and libraries that are not even a dream.
>
> recently a local bus slid off the road and down a steep embankment, about
> a dozen were killed many seriously injured, this guy was the only link to
> anything resembling real medicine.
>
> no cell phones, no PDA's nothing but a laptop and a barely adequate phone
> line was all that seperated several people from death.
>
> > All of the content represented by this code is available via several
> > other means - by phone, in print[including brail and multiple
> > languages], or in person.  No one NEEDS to get this information via
> > the Internet.
>
> no in the past, these people just died... there is more to the web than
> what we here in the advanced countries like as convienences
>
> >  Browsers that do not support client-side scripts need
> > to be enhanced.
>
> .do you also enhance the telephone lines in the entire world?
> .do you also buy and maintain thousands of obsolete computers in the 3rd
> world
> . who trains all these people in how to use this fancy stuff.
> . and who pays for the web time when they are billed by the second for all
> the extra fluff.
>
> >  Users that disable scripts in their browser make a
> > concious decision to do so and inhibit themselves.
>
> or maybe to enhance their ability to actually link to the web
>
> > applications when this clealy states "...until most user agents...".
> > Lynx seems
> > to be one of the more popular browsers sited when something like scripting
> is
> > raised.  Is it not the responsibility of the Lynx developers to make
> changes?
>
> but the Lynx developers are providing the browser that their particular
> customers need or want. otherwise they would be using mozilla or IE or
> whatever bloated browser they get stuck with, there are real valid reasons
> for chosing a lean/robust browser.
>
> now the above is not directly linked to accessibility except that it has
> probably saved many many people from disability and/or death in areas of
> the world where people with disabilities are considered less than human.
>
> sorry for beating  this to death but it can be a matter of life or death
>
> Bob
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