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Re: screen readers do not seem to see content on page:

From: david poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:34:49 -0400
Message-ID: <025a01c43398$d0558e50$6401a8c0@DAVIDPC>
To: <sdale@stevendale.com>, <cbo@entobox.org>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>

you mean wiziwig tools can't just slap this up?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Dale" <sdale@stevendale.com>
To: <cbo@entobox.org>
Cc: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: screen readers do not seem to see content on page:

It looks to me like this page was designed by a programmer and not a web
designer.  The designer does great detail in the coding of the javascript
and the fancy layering work,  yet, misses the basic page title

I think basic web design best practices needs to be learned before the
accessibility features can be understood here.  Granted, filling in the
proper page title isnt difficult to understand.  But, I tend to believe
this site is basically a "programmed document" and not really a website.

I am not being disrespectful here,  I appreciate the work that went into
this site. I just think it misses the basic idea of HTML.


> Maybe I am missing something here... But the page's content primarily
> consists  of an image -- not text. As far as I know, the screen reader
> isn't supposed to  read text embedded in a jpeg. That's why we have
> title, alt and longdesc to  compensate for those who feel that they need
> to retain a certain font or  something else and present their text as
> images. The text should be text... not  an image.
> The Untitled Document means that you haven't taken the time to put a
> title on  your page. Simply replace the default Dreamweaver setting in
> the head of the  document.
> Once the screen reader gets past that, it seems that there is nothing
> else for  it to go to and read, save some images w/out descriptions and
> some inaccessible  js links.
> Hence the output:
> images/index2_top1
> images/index_ovl1
> void(null)
> void(null)
> void(null)
> I agree with the previous poster about starting from scratch. And make
> some  individual, accessible pages that don't rely on js flyouts and
> image rollovers  that contain the core copy for the site.
> Quoting david poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>:
>> Thanks Mark,
>> Looking at the source and seeing all the js and styling, I figure
>> something is preventing rendering but just what is hard to diagnose
>> for me. Here's the output I get.
>> Untitled Document
>> images/index2_top1
>> images/index_ovl1
>> void(null)
>> void(null)
>> void(null)
>> And I noticed that it does say that there are errors on the page.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Thomas" <mark@carbonchip.com>
>> To: <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 11:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: screen readers do not seem to see content on page:
>> David
>> I don't have a screen reader to hand, but I'm guessing that it might
>> be something to do with the JavaScript. IE6 is generating errors, but
>> still rendering the page.
>> There does seem to be an awful lot of <script> included in the
>> document - is it all necessary? First impressions indicate that the
>> page could be streamlined significantly.
>> It might be an idea to post the output you are getting from your
>> screen reader. The chaps over at www.accessifyforum.com are excellent
>> with screen reader issues.
>> Mark Thomas
>> mark@carbonchip.com
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
>> Behalf Of david poehlman
>> > Sent: 06 May 2004 16:03
>> > To: wai-ig list
>> > Subject: screen readers do not seem to see content on page:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We've tried three screen readers and three separate systems on the
>> following
>> > page and cannot get any meaningfull text:
>> > http://healthyforyou.showmewhy.com
>> > is the page.  If anyone can help, the developpers would love to
>> correct this.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > David Poehlman
>> > poehlman1@comcast.net
Received on Thursday, 6 May 2004 14:35:24 UTC

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