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RE: Using Frames - what problems do screen readers have?

From: Juan Ulloa <julloa@bcc.ctc.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:15:21 -0800
Message-ID: <8F57F58366AF674EA546F184CF0626D2C91E8C@cascade.bcc.ctc.edu>
To: "'Gemayel, Ziad'" <ZGemayel@lighthouse.org>, Juan Ulloa <julloa@bcc.ctc.edu>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org

I don't mean to divert this, but do the same rules apply for iframes? ...do
screen readers even recognize them?

  Juan C. Ulloa
* Website Specialist 
* Web Services * Bellevue Community College
* julloa@bcc.ctc.edu
* (425) 564-2487
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gemayel, Ziad [mailto:ZGemayel@lighthouse.org]
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:04 AM
> To: 'Juan Ulloa'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Using Frames - what problems do screen readers have?
> 
> The problem that screen reader users face is that they can't identify each
> frame and navigate between them efficiently if they are not coded
> properly.
> In addition to what Juan mentioned, I would also add a meaningful <TITLE>
> to
> the individual frame pages (make it identical to the TITLE in the
> frameset).
> This is because Jaws and Window-Eyes for example look at frames in a
> slightly different way. This process ensures that both users have the same
> experience when navigating the site.
> The screen reader users can pull up a list of frames and navigate to the
> one
> they want or simply browse through the frames one after the other by
> hitting
> the m key (Jaws) or Ctrl+Tab (W-E).  Otherwise, they can just navigate the
> page linearly and every time they reach a frame the screen reader will
> alert
> them (frame "title" start) and then alert them again when they reach the
> end
> of it (frame "title" end).
> 
> Ziad Gemayel
> Lighthouse International
> Accessibility Consulting and Testing Solutions (ACTS) unit
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juan Ulloa [mailto:julloa@bcc.ctc.edu]
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:39 PM
> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Using Frames - what problems do screen readers have?
> 
> 
> 
> ...Regarding frames, it is my understanding that all you need to do to
> make
> the frameset accessible is to use the title attribute on the frameset for
> each frame.  But I have no idea how screen readers interpret this.
> 
> 
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Frameset//EN">
> 
> <HTML>
> <HEAD>
> <TITLE>Title of Your Page</TITLE>
> </HEAD>
> 
> <FRAMESET cols="10%, 90%"
> TITLE="Our library of electronic documents">
> <FRAME SRC="nav.html" title="Navigation bar">
> <FRAME SRC="doc.html" title="Documents">
> 
> </FRAMESET>
> 
> 
>   Juan C. Ulloa
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