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RE: Using Frames - what problems do screen readers have?

From: Juan Ulloa <julloa@bcc.ctc.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 10:35:23 -0800
Message-ID: <8F57F58366AF674EA546F184CF0626D2C91E88@cascade.bcc.ctc.edu>
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org

There are no specific concerns with accessibility issues and server-side
includes since the file is included before the clients browser sees the

If you go to a website that you know uses server-side includes and you take
a look at it's source code, you will notice that the client side has
absolutely no idea that the included content was from a separate file.

  Juan C. Ulloa
* Website Specialist 
* Web Services * Bellevue Community College
* julloa@bcc.ctc.edu
* (425) 564-2487
* Mailstop: D261

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eileen O'Brien [mailto:eobrien@hubbardone.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 10:05 AM
> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Using Frames - what problems do screen readers have?
> Unfortunately I'm not completely aware of the accessibility issues with
> include files, but I know that rather than framesets, I usually build
> sites referencing an include for what would be the left-hand navigation
> frame or header frame (for sites built with ASP).  This allows you to have
> just 1 file that you are updating with navigation elements etc. and it
> helps site performance.  Speaking of which, does anyone know about the
> accessibility issues with .inc files?  I imagine there are issues I'm
> unaware of.
> Thanks!
> Eileen
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julian Voelcker [mailto:asp@tvw.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:52 AM
> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Using Frames - what problems do screen readers have?
> I understand that whilst it is not recommended, it is possible to
> create accessible frames.
> We have a web based application that uses frames to split the screen up
> so you have a header strip across the top of the screen, a menu strip
> down the left hand side and then the main area of the screen is split
> horizontally with listings in the top half of the screen and details in
> the bottom half of the screen.
> Users select an area to work on from the menu on the left and then
> browse through the listing to select a particular item that is launched
> in the details frame.  Most of the work in the application is based on
> jumping between the listing and details pages.
> We are just about to redevelop the application in a bid to make it more
> accessible, however want to try to avoid dropping the use of frames
> because they are quite integral to the functionality and loosing them
> will result in a lot more trips to the server and a lot more scrolling
> of the pages.
> I would be interested to hear your comments.
> Cheers,
> Julian Voelcker
> Cirencester, United Kingdom
Received on Monday, 17 November 2003 13:35:39 UTC

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