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RE: Using Frames - what problems do screen readers have?

From: Eileen O'Brien <eobrien@hubbardone.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:04:59 -0600
Message-ID: <6146E1997395C14B9F112B5D9E1C923001384917@chopsmx1.hubbardone.net>
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Unfortunately I'm not completely aware of the accessibility issues with include files, but I know that rather than framesets, I usually build sites referencing an include for what would be the left-hand navigation frame or header frame (for sites built with ASP).  This allows you to have just 1 file that you are updating with navigation elements etc. and it helps site performance.  Speaking of which, does anyone know about the accessibility issues with .inc files?  I imagine there are issues I'm unaware of.



-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Voelcker [mailto:asp@tvw.net]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:52 AM
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Using Frames - what problems do screen readers have?

I understand that whilst it is not recommended, it is possible to 
create accessible frames.

We have a web based application that uses frames to split the screen up 
so you have a header strip across the top of the screen, a menu strip 
down the left hand side and then the main area of the screen is split 
horizontally with listings in the top half of the screen and details in 
the bottom half of the screen.

Users select an area to work on from the menu on the left and then 
browse through the listing to select a particular item that is launched 
in the details frame.  Most of the work in the application is based on 
jumping between the listing and details pages.

We are just about to redevelop the application in a bid to make it more 
accessible, however want to try to avoid dropping the use of frames 
because they are quite integral to the functionality and loosing them 
will result in a lot more trips to the server and a lot more scrolling 
of the pages.

I would be interested to hear your comments.


Julian Voelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom
Received on Monday, 17 November 2003 13:05:09 UTC

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