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Re: Testing web page accessibility by phone

From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:42:16 -0400
To: phoenixl <phoenixl@sonic.net>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-id: <008301c208b9$be4b19c0$91e03244@DAVIDPOEHLMAN>

in addition to using the features I mentioned earlier, there is also a
search feature that can be employeed by jaws on web pages.  As a blind
person who has been using assistive technology since the early 80s, I
can say with certainty that yes, it takes us more time.  It even takes
us more time to walk down the street.  I can also say with certainty
that untill you make computers and computing as simple as turning on a
lamp, you will always have a devide of some sort between those who feel
comfortable with and are efficient with the technology and those who are
not.  Most of what you describe here can be over come unfortunately for
those who don't want to do it by effort.

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From: "phoenixl" <phoenixl@sonic.net>
To: <phoenixl@sonic.net>; <poehlman1@comcast.net>; <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: Testing web page accessibility by phone


Her observations on the time issue are quite interesting and are similar
to some other comments that have been sent to me by blind people.
I asked her permission to post her note as more information for
people to consider on the issues.

A question to consider is how much do blind people want to put into
learning their access technology.  A goal should be to make things as
simple as possible.

I've been talking with her and some other blind people about doing
some research into a couple of these areas.  It is looking like there's
possibility to get it sponsored through the Berkeley campus.


> It does not help me at all.  A bunch of things are being confused
> In order to speed the process of using a web page, one needs to take
> into account several factors and none of them are listed here.  First,
> One needs to make sure that access is not deminished for some in favor
> of some. next, one needs to really know how to use their tool.  If you
> are using jaws for windows for instance, there a number of
> possibilities.  If a page has frames, you can get a list of the
> You can get a list of links and actually have them presented in
> orders depe ding on whether or not you have visitted them.  then it
> becomes, visitted only, alphabetical list of all or tab ordered list
> all.  Newly added is the ability to be presented with a list of
> on a page and this is usefull when pages are propperly marked up.
> If she wants to talk to us, she should join the list.
Received on Friday, 31 May 2002 11:43:31 UTC

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