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Re: Frames and accessibility: opinions please

From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:58:16 -0400 (EDT)
To: David Woolley <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>
cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0204251956150.26416-100000@smarty.smart.net>
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, David Woolley wrote:

> > OK I've never (I don't think) have actually seen a frames site but what
> 
> That's almost impossible.  Virtually every second and lower rank e-commerce
> site, at least UK ones, is frames based.

what I mean is to have actually "seen" it, sort of how it was designed

usually it is 

********
your browser doesn't seem to accept frames, please upgrade to IE *.* or NS
*.* and try again

frame: top
frame: left
frame: right
frame: bottom
**********

Bob



> 
> > does frames do that can't be done easier and more accessibly with other
> > methods of construction???
> 
> Reasons people use frames (not reccommendations):
> 
> 1) Fixed menu shared over multiple pages
> 2) Provide persistence of scripting variables across pages
> 3) Easy to create layouts bounded by the screen boundary on all four sides
> 4) The basic infrastructure also supports popping up new windows
>    (seen as desirable by many/most designers!)
> 5) Easy to force ones own advertising onto every page provided by your
>    customer
> 6) Effectively makes deep linking impossible (some people seem to think
>    this is an advantage!  Often causes Javascript warnings as a deep 
>    linked frame tries to re-establish the frameset, by going to the home
>    page.)
> 7) Can show other people's pages as though they are yours (this is frowned 
>    upon and often results in Javascript warnings as the victims try to
>    escape)
> 8) Can provide cheap domain name hosting ("cloaked redirection") by wrapping
>    an external, ISP based site in a database generated frameset, often,
>    illegally containing only one frame; the address bar always shows the
>    custom domain name, not the www.isp.com/~user/ URLs that really contain 
>    the page.
> 

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