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Re: Fw: putting reader text in hidden <div> tags / adding pauses

From: David Woolley <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:06:27 +0000 (GMT)
Message-Id: <200112040706.fB476Rm03826@djwhome.demon.co.uk>
To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> material that can be seen. Things with visibility:hidden or display:none
> can't be seen and are intended by the web designer to not be seen or heard.

That's a misuse of visibility: hidden, although like many accessiblity
features, it was always unrealistic to expect ordinary designers to 
account for anything other than the visual (GUI) media type.  In any case,
display: none appears to be the appropriate attribute for collapsing menus
(long term, I believe these should be coded as nested lists, which is 
what they are, in which case display: none on the ul is fairly easy to
do - however pre-CSS hacks for dynamic menus are likely never to die out,
as visual designers work with what is known to work visually, and won't 
change if there is no change in visual appearance, and even more so if
there are subtle changes).

Because run of the mill commercial designers will never design for anything
except the visual medium (unless something else becomes fashionable) it
is difficult for voice browsers to handle their proper CSS media type 
without breaking a lot of existing pages that will never get fixed, so
the pressure is on them to ignore the existence of aural styles, because
they are so rare, and because a correct implementation of media types may
make real life pages unusable.
Received on Tuesday, 4 December 2001 02:09:19 UTC

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