- From: Jim Thatcher <thatch@attglobal.net>
- Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 19:35:09 -0600
- To: Laurie Harrison <laurie.harrison@utoronto.ca>, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Laurie, I find the discussion of frame titles really depressing. It is depressing because there is not a clear recommendation from WCAG, trying not to be too prescriptive, I guess. As a result neither web authors nor assistive technology developers know what to do. (1) Here's WCAG: 12.1 Title each frame to facilitate frame identification and navigation. [Priority 1] For example, in HTML use the "title" attribute on FRAME elements. (2) Section 508 used the WCAG wording without the example. Here is my analysis of how well assistive technology is listening to the these recommendations. (1) Lynx, which is not assistive technology, really, uses the name attributes on the frame elements for its list of frames. (2) HomePage Reader v2.5 used the title attribute on the frame element if it was present but reverted to the title element of the actual frame page if there was no title attribute. I know of no other AT that uses/used the title attribute. (3) Jaws uses the name attribute of the frame element for its list of frames, and announces both the name attribute and the title element as it reads the frame. (4) Window-Eyes only uses only the title element. I don't know if Window-Eyes provides a list of frames. (5) HPR v3.0 uses the title element of each frame page in its list of frames; it uses neither the name nor the title attribute. (This is a bug, in my opinion!) The only conclusion I can make is to recommend to web authors is provide both title and name attributes on the frame elements (make them the same) and quality titles on their frame pages. In other words do all three and your bases will be covered. Of course the name and title attributes describe the purpose of the frame, like "main content" or "local navigation." Jim jim@jimthatcher.com Accessibility Consulting http://jimthatcher.com 512-306-0931 -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Laurie Harrison Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 2:49 PM To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org Subject: Frame Title and Screenreader Access Perhaps someone on this list can assist with the following access question. I have been approached for information regarding use of frame "title"atttribute in relation to JAWS or Window-Eyes. While WAI recommends inclusion of "title" it doesn't seem to be picked up in the list of frames generated by either of these products. This has lead to a few questions: Is "title" intended to have this function? Is the "name" attribute the one that is generally the context identifier for screenreaders? Is it a question of verbosity settings in the screenreader? Thanks in advance for any input. L. -- Laurie Harrison Resource Coordinator Centre for Academic and Adaptive Technology, Information Commons University of Toronto laurie.harrison@utoronto.ca (416) 946-3778
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