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RE: Aaargh .. Whatever happened to Bobby?

From: Daniel Koger <dkoger@hdtd.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:27:44 -0800
Message-ID: <21E4A97A161AD4119D6F00A0CC5EE7B63D4851@mail2.hdtd.com>
To: "'Nick Kew'" <nick@webthing.com>, w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org, w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Worked great in IE - hmmm....  Looking at the source I noticed 2 things.
CFM and MM.  Cold Fusion and the Macromedia Slice device.  It looks like the
site has been rewritten using Allaire's Cold Fusion with DreamWeaver from
Macromedia as the editing/layout tool.  DreamWeaver would fall into the
category described below, splices, slices and table positioning / layout.
Bummer for Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Kew [mailto:nick@webthing.com]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:17 PM
To: w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Aaargh .. Whatever happened to Bobby?



I've just visited Bobby for the first time in - I forget how long.
What a ghastly mess!

The first thing that happened was a long wait for Netscape to display
the page[1].  This was repeated later whenever I used the back button
to return to <URL:http://www.cast.org/bobby/>, indicating that the
page's labyrinthine construction is the main culprit.

When the page finally displayed, it showed most of the symptoms of a
poorly-written 1997 kool-deziner page.  A look at the source confirms
a wealth of the worst legacy markup: tables-for-layout, liberal use of
<FONT>, spacer GIFs, etc (as well as several hundred blank lines at
the top: is this some stupid hide-source trick?).  

Furthermore, not only is the HTML a mess, but the backend is broken.
Many of the options there, including the "Change Interface" link
and the "Site Tools" select box, generated internal server errors
whenever I tried them - for example:

Error Diagnostic Information

 An error occurred while evaluating the expression: 

 "#session.LastPage#"

 Error near line 34, column 20.

 Error resolving parameter SESSION.LASTPAGE


I've put a screendump of what Netscape 4.7 displays at
<URL:http://valet.webthing.com/bobby.png>
Lynx is a little better, but still looks extremely silly.

Conclusion: what can I say?  How can anyone take this seriously?


[1] This is a FreeBSD box, and doesn't have enough RAM to run Mozilla -
so I'm a mild case of requiring accessibility myself.

-- 
Nick Kew

Is your site a lawsuit waiting to happen?
See <URL:http://valet.webthing.com/intranet/> before it's too late.
Received on Monday, 12 February 2001 16:35:04 GMT

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