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RE: Are Small Text buttons level 2 compliant

From: Ben Morris <bmorris@activematter.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:03:37 -0400
To: "Bailey, Bruce" <Bruce_Bailey@ed.gov>, "'Leonard R. Kasday'" <kasday@acm.org>, "'WAI'" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBJJFGELAFJNCPAOABKEECCAAA.bmorris@activematter.com>
It would seem to me that the phrase 'Avoid using images to represent text'
does not equate to making such images prohibited.

I think that the spirit of these guidelines is to make sites accessible to,
but not necessarily designed strictly for, those with disabilities.  All of
these sites (I believe) include plain text alternatives to those graphical
links at the bottom of the page.  I think that most users expect text links
at the bottom of the page.

Also, the definition of Priority 2 reads:

"[Priority 2]
A Web content developer should satisfy this checkpoint. Otherwise, one or
more groups will find it difficult to access information in the document.
Satisfying this checkpoint will remove significant barriers to accessing Web
documents."

I think that scrolling to the bottom of the page is not a 'significant
barrier.'

- Ben Morris
  Active Matter

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Bailey, Bruce
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:17 AM
To: 'Leonard R. Kasday'; 'WAI'
Subject: RE: Are Small Text buttons level 2 compliant


Jeez Len, I thought I sometimes asked dangerous questions!
A few violators of this rule:
http://www.cast.org/bobby/ <http://www.cast.org/bobby/>
http://www.section508.gov/ <http://www.section508.gov/>
http://www.microsoft.com/enable/ <http://www.microsoft.com/enable/>  (but
only on their search button, the other menus are text)
http://www.trace.wisc.edu/ <http://www.trace.wisc.edu/>  (image maps)
I think you are quite correct, but that's just MHO.

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org]On Behalf
Of Leonard R. Kasday
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 10:20 AM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Cc: w3c-wai-er-ig@w3.org
Subject: Are Small Text buttons level 2 compliant


To the people of WCAG,

Many sites use small buttons, menus or tabs that have text as images, e.g.

FAQs, Our Team, About Us, Consumer Products, Web Sites, Computers, Welcome,
News, How-to, Connect,

(this is a mixture from several web sites)

Do these pass the following priority 2 checkpoint? [1]

3.1 When an appropriate markup language exists, use markup rather than
images to convey information. [Priority 2] For example, use MathML to mark
up mathematical equations, and style sheets to format text and control
layout. Also, avoid using images to represent text -- use text and style
sheets instead.



I contend no, small image buttons/menus/tabs fail this checkpoint: since an
accessible markup exists, viz. ordinary HTML.  Plus the last sentence
explicitly says to not use images for text.

Feasible methods exist. You can get rid of the link underline, and control
color and font with a stylesheet.  Rectangular buttons are easy.  If you
want something a bit fancier like rounded corners, it's straightforward to
piece together the text parts with slivers of images.  That's a bit of a
kluge, but in balance I think it's better than making the whole thing text,
given the importance of that checkpoint to people with low vision, who can
otherwise simply enlarge the fonts and/or change the colors.  (Loads faster
too).

I expect some objections to this position, since a number of well known
sites in the disability area use such images, so there are clearly folks who
didn't think this was a violation.

By the way, the one place I would allow text as images are in logos, where
there are substantial reasons for making the look exact.

Len

p.s.
This isn't an academic question for me: e.g. full WCAG is now Pennsylvania
State Policy, so we've got to know if image folkder tabs are "legal".

[1]
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WAI-WEBCONTENT-19990505/#gl-structure-presentation
<http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/WAI-WEBCONTENT-19990505/#gl-structure-presentatio
n>
--
Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D.
Institute on Disabilities/UAP and Dept. of Electrical Engineering at Temple
University
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Chair, W3C Web Accessibility Initiative Evaluation and Repair Tools Group
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The WAVE web page accessibility evaluation assistant:
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<http://www.temple.edu/inst_disabilities/piat/wave/>
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