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RE: Seeking help on running Bobby with Jaws screen reader

From: Michael Cooper <mcooper@cast.org>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:28:32 -0500
To: <W3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <NCBBJOMIELMIDGCAPFCIAEPHCNAA.mcooper@cast.org>
Hi - Peter and I had responded to this question offline and we thought we
should post the exchange back to this list. The long and short is Bobby is
usable with Jaws via the Access Bridge, but not if you run Bobby using the
shortcut our installer provides. There are instructions for a workaround,
and we're planning a release soon that does not use that particular
installer. Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Cooper [mailto:mcooper@cast.org]
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 5:48 PM
> To: Peter Korn; Jamal Mazrui; Chuck Hitchcock
> Cc: Access@sun.com
> Subject: RE: Fwd: Seeking help on running Bobby with Jaws screen reader
>
> Hi -
>
> Peter's analysis of the problem is correct. We also have been trying to
work
> with ZeroG on this problem; they have acknowledged the problem but have
not
> given us a timeline for its solution. We are anticipating the release of
> Bobby 3.2 soon and this will have versions that bypass this problem by
using
> other installers.
>
> In the meantime, you can follow Peter's instructions. I recommend the
second
> approach, creating a batch file. If you modify the .lax file, as Peter
said
> it is necessary to manually add the jaccess.jar and access-bridge.jar
files,
> as well as any other files that would normally be loaded by your Java
> Accessibility settings, to the classpath (the line beginning with
> "lax.class.path") in the .lax file, and make sure the Java Virtual Machine
> (the line beginning with "lax.nl.current.vm") is also correct. Be sure to
> escape any backslash characters with double backslashes. If you create a
> batch file (you can do this with the version installed by InstallAnywhere
> too, you don't need to download the Generic version first), it should
> include in the classpath the root Bobby installation, bobbyApp.jar, and
> HotJavaBean.jar. Peter's example should work if the batch file is located
in
> the Bobby installation directory.
>
> Sorry about the difficulty you encountered, and thank you, Peter, for
> providing the information to Jamal. We are very excited by the release of
> the Access Bridge and its support by Sun, and hope this will allow more
> people to make use of Bobby. We will continue to work with Sun,
> Henter-Joyce, and others to ensure there are as few problems with these
new
> technologies as possible.
>
> Michael Cooper
> Bobby Project Manager
> Technical Designer
> CAST, Inc.
> 39 Cross St.
> Peabody, MA  01960
> Tel 978-531-8555 x265
> TTY 978-538-3110
> Fax 978-531-0192
> Email mcooper@cast.org
> http://www.cast.org/
> http://www.cast.org/bobby/
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Korn [mailto:peter.korn@sun.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 5:01 PM
> > To: Jamal Mazrui; Chuck Hitchcock
> > Cc: Access@sun.com; Michael Cooper
> > Subject: Re: Fwd: Seeking help on running Bobby with Jaws screen reader
> >
> >
> > Hi Jamal,
> >
> > > I'm trying to use a Java application for the first time with the new
> > > Access Bridge and JFW.  I'm forwarding a copy of a message I sent to a
> > > list explaining my problem in case anyone on the accessibility team at
> > > Sun can help.
> >
> > I'm cc-ing out friends at CAST, who are in the best position of
addressing
> > this.
> >
> > From your description, you downloaded the Windows version of
> > Bobby, with the
> > Install Anywhere installer.  Install Anywhere is unfortunately not
> > compatible with Java Accessibility right now (we are talking with the
> > company about ways of addressing this).  Install Anywhere builds a "Run
> > Anywhere" Java application launcher/wrapper, which invokes the
> > Java VM in a
> > fashion that bypasses the loading of assistive technologies (and, if you
> > choose to download Bobby with the JVM, potentially it's own Java VM,
which
> > may not even support everything required by the Java Access Bridge).
> >
> > You have two immediate choices:
> >
> >  1. modify the bobby311build7.lax file, so that it invokes the correct
> >     Java VM, with a CLASSPATH that includes the jaccess.jar and
> >     access-bridge.jar files
> >
> >  2. download the generic version of Bobby, ignore the installer
> >     (after you unzip 'install.zip'), and make a batch file that
> >     will launch Bobby.  Here is my batch file for the generic
> >     version of Bobby, which I placed into the directory:
> >       c:\Bobby\scratch1\fuzzy\bobby\b2\bobby\inst
> >     (c:\Bobby I created, the rest is from the unzipped install.zip):
> >
> >       launchBobby.bat:
> >     c:\jdk1.2.2\bin\java -cp lib\bobbyApp.jar;lib\HotJavaBean.jar;.
bobby
> >
> > Now that the Java Access Bridge is released, and products like
> > Henter-Joyce's JAWS for Windows support it and are able to
> > provide access to
> > Java applications, it would probably make sense for CAST to look at an
> > alternative, batch-file based mechanism for distributing Bobby.
> >
> > Meanwhile, we will continue to work with the folks at ZeroG software
(who
> > make InstallAnywhere), to see how we can best address this for the
future.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Peter Korn
> >
> > Sun Accessibility team
> >
> >
> -----Original Message-----
> From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On
> Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 3:56 PM
> To: W3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Seeking help on running Bobby with Jaws screen reader
>
>
> I'm trying to use the Bobby application with the new 1.0
> Accessibility Bridge by Sun Microsystems and the new 3.5 version
> of Jaws for Windows.  I think I installed the various software
> components correctly, including the 1.2.2 versions of the Java
> Development Kit and Java Access Utilities.  I have not figured
> out how to run Bobby, and hope someone on this list can help.
>
> The current version of Bobby, 3.1.1 build 7, appears to use a
> launching procedure that is not described in any documentation I
> could find.  The documentation says to launch Bobby with the
> following command:
>
> java bobby -j
>
> There is no installed file, however, with a base name of bobby.
> It also mentions a command line version named bobbycl which I
> could not find either.
>
> What I did find were two files bobby311build7.exe and
> bobby311build7.lax which appear to allow bobby to be launched
> without reference to Java in the command.  I get no speech,
> however when I run bobby311build7.exe.  It sounds like some
> software is loading but then control returns to the command
> prompt and no new window is opened on the taskbar.
>
> I'm excited by the possibility of accessing Java applications
> designed with the Swing classes and compatible screen reading
> software.  Does anyone know whether the current Bobby version
> actually works with this combination?  If so, I'd appreciate some
> tips on getting started.
>
> Regards,
> Jamal
>
>
Received on Friday, 21 January 2000 14:37:53 GMT

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