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Re: FW: indenting

From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:26:39 -0500 (EST)
To: "webmaster@dors.sailorsite.net" <webmaster@dors.sailorsite.net>
cc: "'Web Accessibility Initiative'" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.9912131925370.14934-100000@tux.w3.org>
Except that using UL for indentation (as a presentation effect) is WRONG -
see the HTML specification. People who are looking for lists want to know
what is a list, not what has been indented.

Charles

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Bruce Bailey wrote:

  Okay, if not tables (and not CSS) you could always use <UL>.  This gets you 
  the indentation and is not an abuse of HTML, but it will also start each 
  indented section with a bullet.
  
  I am thinking it would go like this:
  
  Main document body.  Blah Blah Blah.
  <UL>
  <LI>Level one indent.  Blah Blah Blah.  LI keeps paragraph text which wraps 
  indented like you want.
  <P>To start a new paragraph with the indentation, but without another 
  bullet, just use the P tag.  If this goes on long enough, people might 
  hardly notice the bullet at the beginning!
  <UL>
  <LI>This paragraph is indented to level two.  Repeat this and the P trick 
  as necessary.
  </UL>
  </UL>
  Back to main document body.  Blah Blah Blah.
  
  Just one more technique!
  
  
  On Wednesday, December 08, 1999 9:09 AM, Jamie Fox 
  [SMTP:jfox@fenix2.dol-esa.gov] wrote:
  > I had considered using tables but they are large documents with up to 
  five
  > levels of indenting.  Besides the burden on downloading the files via 
  dial
  > in accounts in the field, our main audience, browsers seem to choke up a
  > bit on large tables.  I've decided that in this instance the document 
  would
  > not likely suffer significantly from the use of an older browser.  Thanks 
  
  > for the suggestion though.
  >
  > -Jamie
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From:	Bruce Bailey [SMTP:bbailey@clark.net]
  > Sent:	Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:18 PM
  > To:	'Jamie Fox'; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
  > Subject:	RE: indenting
  >
  > Hurray!
  >
  > But I don't understand why you could not just put the section in question
  > in a two column table (border="0" of course).  (The first column could
  > contain just "&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp" -- or you could use the width
  > attribute.)  Using tables in this fashion is only a P3 violation.  This 
  is
  > certainly stylistically better than using blockquote or dir (although 
  clear
  > NOT as good as using CSS).
  >
  > On Tuesday, December 07, 1999 6:05 PM, Jamie Fox
  > [SMTP:jfox@fenix2.dol-esa.gov] wrote:
  > > Thanks for everyone's help.  I've decided to go with a style sheet.
  >  There
  > > is a really helpful site at
  > http://builder.cnet.com/Authoring/CSS/ss02.html
  > > The article seems old but it served it's purpose quite well for me.
  > >
  > > -Jamie Fox
  > >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From:	Joan Piroch [SMTP:d4951@sccoast.net]
  > > Sent:	Tuesday, December 07, 1999 12:21 PM
  > > To:	Jamie Fox
  > > Cc:	w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
  > > Subject:	Re: indenting
  > >
  > > At 03:13 PM 12/6/99 -0500, Jamie Fox wrote:
  > >> I want to indent sections of a document without using spaces or some
  > other
  > >> cheat.  I want to do something similar to what <blockquote> does. 
   Will
  > >> <DIR> do it and how will it hold up on older browsers?  Thanks for 
  your
  > >> help.
  > >>
  > >> -Jamie Fox
  >
  
  

--Charles McCathieNevile    mailto:charles@w3.org  phone: +61 409 134 136
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