- From: Kim Patch <kim@redstartsystems.com>
- Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 16:49:14 -0500
- To: Marc Johlic <marc.johlic@gmail.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <5A6267DA.1020403@redstartsystems.com>
+1 (I like the editorial change but +1 either way) On 1/19/2018 12:29 PM, Marc Johlic wrote: > +1 to Michael Gower's editorial change. The SC is much easier to read > with the "unless" clause around active on focus as a bullet item. > > Still keeping my earlier +1 for this CFC if we can't make this > editorial change. > > Marc Johlic > > On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 6:04 AM, David MacDonald > <david100@sympatico.ca <mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>> wrote: > > I support Michael editorial ... think the exception for UI > components should be a separate bullet... it's not a substantive > change... simply editorial and wouldn't need its own CFC/ > > I support the CFC regardless. > > Cheers, > David MacDonald > > *Can**Adapt**Solutions Inc.* > > Tel: 613.235.4902 <tel:%28613%29%20235-4902> > > LinkedIn > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> > > twitter.com/davidmacd <http://twitter.com/davidmacd> > > GitHub <https://github.com/DavidMacDonald> > > www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> > > / Adapting the web to *all* users/ > > /Including those with disabilities/ > > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy > policy <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> > > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 10:04 PM, Michael Gower > <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com <mailto:michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>> wrote: > > I already +1'ed this. > This is an editorial suggestion. I think it would be cleaner > to pull out the "unless..." phrase in the preamble and make > that wording into a new bullet. I do not believe it changes > the meaning at all. > If a _keyboard shortcut_ > <http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/character_changes/guidelines/index.html#dfn-keyboard-shortcuts>is > implemented in content using only letter (including upper- and > lower-case letters), punctuation, number, or symbol > characters, then at least one of the following is true: > > Turn off > > A _mechanism_ > <http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/character_changes/guidelines/index.html#dfn-mechanism>is > available to turn the shortcut off; > > Remap > > A mechanism is available to remap the shortcut to use one or > more non-printable keyboard characters (e.g. Ctrl, Alt, etc). > > > Active only on focus > The keyboard shortcut for a _user interface component_ > <http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/character_changes/guidelines/index.html#dfn-user-interface-components>is > only active when that component has focus > > Michael Gower > IBM Accessibility > Research > > 1803 Douglas Street, Victoria, BC > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1803+Douglas+Street,+Victoria,+BC+%C2%A0V8T+5C3&entry=gmail&source=g> > V8T 5C3 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1803+Douglas+Street,+Victoria,+BC+%C2%A0V8T+5C3&entry=gmail&source=g> > gowerm@ca.ibm.com <mailto:gowerm@ca.ibm.com> > voice: (250) 220-1146 <tel:%28250%29%20220-1146> * cel: (250) > 661-0098 <tel:%28250%29%20661-0098> * > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1803+Douglas+Street,+Victoria,+BC+%C2%A0V8T+5C3+%3Chttps://maps.google.com/?q%3D1803%2BDouglas%2BStreet,%2BVictoria,%2BBC%2B%25C2%25A0V8T%2B5C3%26entry%3Dgmail%26source%3Dg%3E&entry=gmail&source=g>fax: > (250) 220-8034 <tel:%28250%29%20220-8034> > > > > From: "Michael Gower" <michael.gower@ca.ibm.com > <mailto:michael.gower@ca.ibm.com>> > To: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com > <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>> > Cc: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>> > Date: 2018-01-18 06:23 PM > Subject: Re: CFC - Updated Response to issues 386, 659, and > 660, 669, and 688 on Character Key Shortcuts > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > +1 > Michael Gower > IBM Accessibility > Research > > 1803 Douglas Street, Victoria, BC > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1803+Douglas+Street,+Victoria,+BC+%C2%A0V8T+5C3&entry=gmail&source=g> > V8T 5C3 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1803+Douglas+Street,+Victoria,+BC+%C2%A0V8T+5C3&entry=gmail&source=g> > gowerm@ca.ibm.com <mailto:gowerm@ca.ibm.com> > voice: (250) 220-1146 <tel:%28250%29%20220-1146> * cel: (250) > 661-0098 <tel:%28250%29%20661-0098> * > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1803+Douglas+Street,+Victoria,+BC+%C2%A0V8T+5C3+%3Chttps://maps.google.com/?q%3D1803%2BDouglas%2BStreet,%2BVictoria,%2BBC%2B%25C2%25A0V8T%2B5C3%26entry%3Dgmail%26source%3Dg%3E&entry=gmail&source=g>fax: > (250) 220-8034 <tel:%28250%29%20220-8034> > > > > From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com > <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>> > To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>> > Date: 2018-01-17 04:16 PM > Subject: CFC - Updated Response to issues 386, 659, and 660, > 669, and 688 on Character Key Shortcuts > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Call For Consensus — ends Friday January 19th at 7pm Boston time. > > The Working Group has discussed responses to the following issues: > > 386: What do 'character key' and 'printable' mean? > (_https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/386_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_386&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=4cG63XUkZFAQYYmmbZrBY3jfdu5hnmz1K8cBjudUVdc&e=>) > > 659: Ambiguous definition > (_https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/659_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_659&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=PczkktcyDO_o9_yIFxjPs0gPSOasXI9bHgHpmihWtyA&e=>) > > 660: Characters (_https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/660_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_660&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=nmO_0gErL8d8a60ahwi88-h_2flOxNym3PFfur-z6h4&e=>) > > 669: SC 2.4.11 Character Key Shortcuts - Proposal for change > of wording (_https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/669_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_669&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=YFbN8U8mzEhgWS1FmwYw2DdxWjVdg5hcLApp5FFZ0Uo&e=>) > > 688: Comment on 2.4.11 > (_https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/688_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_688&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=vMvTemd2zAjtsQM1fmxxxOUwsi2jQXXEdm1FIqGRwEQ&e=>) > > Response to Issue 386: > _https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#386_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_WAI_GL_wiki_Draft-5FResponses-5Fto-5FDec-5FWD-5FIssues-23386&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=MrH3mrUO_Mw8fvfCeDvXGMw_6ZMkBLOJ1Nj0sQQof5k&e=> > > Response to Issue 659: > _https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#659_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_WAI_GL_wiki_Draft-5FResponses-5Fto-5FDec-5FWD-5FIssues-23659&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=UVHSTgmV7BMSteJjpchUvL4SPQ7KZtXUE4sMaUh10zI&e=> > > Response to Issue 660: > _https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#660_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_WAI_GL_wiki_Draft-5FResponses-5Fto-5FDec-5FWD-5FIssues-23660&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=uCtK6IxTMNtxzNpHzfGt74wrlnij9_NmVS2LbYoY7D4&e=> > > Response to Issue 669: > _https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#669_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_WAI_GL_wiki_Draft-5FResponses-5Fto-5FDec-5FWD-5FIssues-23669&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=2vVhcWBSLTTyhkjjbwjbCtlq0icIn6wK_jk8HZTZomU&e=> > > Response to Issue 688: > _https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Draft_Responses_to_Dec_WD_Issues#688_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_WAI_GL_wiki_Draft-5FResponses-5Fto-5FDec-5FWD-5FIssues-23688&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=9DSwvToO_oIgqz6skW8HViNrop3UKDfjOBU7UrET730&e=> > > The changes to the SC are implemented in this pull request: > _https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/pull/732_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_pull_732&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=OqpzLpLNzS6txO3JqhUSXiAmMQloFhPvM_kD-FO-t78&e=> > > The changed SC can be viewed here: > _http://rawgit.com/w3c/wcag21/character_changes/guidelines/index.html#character-key-shortcuts_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rawgit.com_w3c_wcag21_character-5Fchanges_guidelines_index.html-23character-2Dkey-2Dshortcuts&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=CdaLc6Oo3FllFZ7K3ybTeF6Bk_PAlWnLqQgc7qkTIcs&e=> > > Since the original CFC, this has been updated to remove the > mention of the shift key, and to remove the mention of space > and enter (see specific commit here: > _https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/pull/732/commits/4f7d83ea030329529ede8f0f577abf51a18745a7_ > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_pull_732_commits_4f7d83ea030329529ede8f0f577abf51a18745a7&d=DwMGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=_9rqR3xSCWQUlv9VpOcJwkP7H0XWQXmxeMmqQl6Fikc&m=nTQi5qA7HE54a7PBFv3j6mG-n4Zn5rnw7WGoglrB2r4&s=OkWiLk5635jtBgUY-Un_LVJyXhHONFMRvgL5SNYXy_M&e=>) > > If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position > that have not been discussed already and feel that those > concerns result in you “not being able to live with” this > decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline. > > Thanks, > > AWK > > Andrew Kirkpatrick > > Group Product Manager, Accessibility > > Adobe > > _akirkpat@adobe.com_ <mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com> > > _http://twitter.com/awkawk_ > 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