Re: Issue 650 Does the Hover or focus SC apply to tabbed interfaces?

Jason says:
> Perhaps we need an exception to exclude changes of focus within user
interface components (i.e., within a single component as in this case).

That's interesting...

Melanie says:
>Did you explore the word "overlay"? As in: "When pointer hover or keyboard
focus triggers additional content that overlays other content, the
following are true:" Perhaps no new definition would be required with this
approach.

That's also interesting...

We should explore both of those suggestions.

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On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 8:38 PM, White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org> wrote:

> The issue seems to be that, although moving focus to the tab control
> doesn't cause additional content to become visible, moving focus (via
> left/right arrow keys) to a different tab does make the content of the
> newly selected tab visible.
>
> Perhaps we need an exception to exclude changes of focus within user
> interface components (i.e., within a single component as in this case).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Abma, J.D. (Jake) [mailto:Jake.Abma@ing.nl]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 4:37 PM
> To: Repsher, Stephen J <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>;
> Brooks.Newton@thomsonreuters.com; david100@sympatico.ca;
> jon.avila@levelaccess.com
> Cc: akirkpat@adobe.com; White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>;
> melanie.philipp@deque.com; acampbell@nomensa.com; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Issue 650 Does the Hover or focus SC apply to tabbed
> interfaces?
>
>
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> A ARIA 1.1 example where focus directly shown panel content
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> ________________________________________
> From: Repsher, Stephen J [stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 10:17 PM
> To: Brooks.Newton@thomsonreuters.com; david100@sympatico.ca;
> jon.avila@levelaccess.com
> Cc: akirkpat@adobe.com; jjwhite@ets.org; melanie.philipp@deque.com;
> acampbell@nomensa.com; Abma, J.D. (Jake); w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Issue 650 Does the Hover or focus SC apply to tabbed
> interfaces?
>
> To clarify, I never said that the tabs weren't focusable, just that the
> content wasn't becoming visible on focus.  In retrospect, being technically
> astute might lead us to look at the underlying JavaScript to see if the
> code to display the additional content was occurring onfocus() or maybe
> onkeypress().  As Brooks is saying though, it really doesn't matter whether
> we come to an agreement on that if we can agree on a simple change.
>
> I propose simply adding back in the part about obscuring other content and
> moving on, so the Dismissable condition would then read:
>
> "A mechanism is available to dismiss the additional content without moving
> pointer hover or keyboard focus, unless the additional content communicates
> an input error or does not obscure other content;"
>
> Any objections to that?
>
> Steve
>
> From: Brooks.Newton@thomsonreuters.com [mailto:Brooks.Newton@
> thomsonreuters.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 4:04 PM
> To: david100@sympatico.ca; jon.avila@levelaccess.com
> Cc: Repsher, Stephen J <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>; akirkpat@adobe.com;
> jjwhite@ets.org; melanie.philipp@deque.com; acampbell@nomensa.com;
> Jake.Abma@ing.nl; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Issue 650 Does the Hover or focus SC apply to tabbed
> interfaces?
>
> +1 to Jonathan's and David's perspective on this.  I agree with them.  I'm
> also right in the middle of documenting, implementing and testing this
> design pattern, so the hair splitting semantic exercise of what is change
> in focus versus what is a change in selection means less to me than the
> practical implications of observing new content display upon pressing arrow
> keys, not space or enter, as the ARIA Authoring Practices 1.1 recommends
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> From: David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: Jonathan Avila
> Cc: Repsher, Stephen J; Andrew Kirkpatrick; White, Jason J; Melanie
> Philipp; Alastair Campbell; Abma, J.D. (Jake); WCAG
> Subject: Re: Issue 650 Does the Hover or focus SC apply to tabbed
> interfaces?
>
> Hi Steve
>
> I have to confess... I've never made that distinction that if you move to
> an actionable control with an arrow key rather than a tab key it is not a
> focusable element.
>
> Is there anywhere official you can point me (and Jonathan) to that makes
> that distinction.
>
>
> Cheers,
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> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:43 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@levelaccess.com<
> mailto:jon.avila@levelaccess.com>> wrote:
> In my opinion switching between tabs with arrow keys is changing focus and
> selection.   Just as moving up and down in an ARIA combo box with pop up
> list that takes focus moves both selection and focus.
>
> Jonathan
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 9, 2018, at 2:40 PM, Repsher, Stephen J <
> stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com<mailto:stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>> wrote:
> I'll try to reply to various comments throughout this thread...
>
> First, it is unclear to me from issue #650 whether or not the commenter is
> talking about true tabbed interfaces, or simply menus that respond to
> tabbing.  However, it doesn't really matter what the UI component actually
> is but rather how it functions using a keyboard or pointer.  If stuff
> appears on focus or hover, then it applies.
>
> With regard to the applicability to tabbed interfaces (i.e.
> role="tab")...The answer depends on how the keyboard and pointer
> interactions are implemented.  Taking the ARIA Authoring Practices example,
> Andrew is correct in saying that the SC is not applicable because keyboard
> focus on the tab is not what makes its associated tabpanel appear.  The
> tablist receives focus and simply transfers it to the currently displayed
> tab, then the next focusable element is the tabpanel.  There are only 2
> ways to make the "additional" tab panel content appear:
>
> 1.       Click the tab with the pointer, or
>
> 2.       Move focus into the tablist, then use the arrow keys to select a
> new tab.  This is functionally equivalent to a <select> which displays
> different content onblur or on selection.
> Thus, there is no real applicability for the SC in this example.  And
> furthermore, most tabs that I experience pretty much use an onclick()
> approach since it's the easiest way to also be mobile-friendly, so there's
> no applicability for most tabs in the wild either.
>
> So, could the SC apply to a tabbed interface?  Yes, certainly, but only if
> it truly works on just hover and/or focus, and that would be a horrible
> user experience for everyone in most tab applications.
>
> I'm happy to add some stuff to the Understanding discussing tabs to
> reflect all this.
>
> With regard to defining "additional content"... I view this as already
> defined by the SC language itself, i.e. anything that requires an element
> to be focused or hovered before it becomes visible is the additional
> content.  Referring to it as "additional" is nothing more than a
> convenience so that it is clear what is being talked about in the 3
> conditions and has no other meaning beyond that.  I think the Understanding
> already makes this clear.
>
> With regard to going back to popup, popover, or scoping to "overlay"...
> This was extremely confusing for many folks even with a clear definition,
> and that definition would need to scope it to the same content as is now,
> so I do not agree with going back down that winding road.  Moreover,
> scoping to only overlays misses the point of the Hoverable and Persistent
> conditions, i.e. those conditions are there to assist with viewing and
> operating the additional content and it's irrelevant whether or not
> anything else is being obscured.
>
> With regard to the general notion of additional content that is not
> overlaying or obscuring anything else... I originally had this in the
> Dismissable bullet, but the working group discussed it and decided to
> remove it.  That is, it originally read: "..., unless the additional
> content communicates an input error or does not obscure any other
> content."  I'm fine with adding that back in if the group feels it is
> important, but that seems irrelevant to issue #650.
>
> Steve
>
> From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 9:13 AM
> To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca<mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>>;
> White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org<mailto:jjwhite@ets.org>>
> Cc: Melanie Philipp <melanie.philipp@deque.com<mailto:
> melanie.philipp@deque.com>>; Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com
> <mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>>; Abma, J.D. (Jake) <Jake.Abma@ing.nl
> <mailto:Jake.Abma@ing.nl>>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-
> wai-gl@w3.org>>; Repsher, Stephen J <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com<mailto:
> stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>>
> Subject: Re: Issue 650 Does the Hover or focus SC apply to tabbed
> interfaces?
>
> Would be good to hear from Steve about David's last question ("without
> moving the pointer")...
>
> Thanks,
> AWK
>
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> From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca<mailto:david100@sympatico.ca
> >>
> Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 09:09
> To: "White, Jason J" <jjwhite@ets.org<mailto:jjwhite@ets.org>>
> Cc: Melanie Philipp <melanie.philipp@deque.com<mailto:
> melanie.philipp@deque.com>>, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com
> <mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>>, "Abma, J.D. (Jake)" <Jake.Abma@ing.nl
> <mailto:Jake.Abma@ing.nl>>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-
> wai-gl@w3.org>>, "Repsher, Stephen J" <stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com<
> mailto:stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>>
> Subject: Re: Issue 650 Does the Hover or focus SC apply to tabbed
> interfaces?
> Resent-From: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
> Resent-Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 09:06
>
> I agree with going back to using popup, or something similar and then
> defining it.
>
> For me, "overlay" makes me think of a light box, dialogue box etc., which
> is not generally a hover based popup... but could live with it if it's
> defined or clear in another way the the SC is not talking about those
> things.
>
> I also hope we address the first bullet regarding closing the popup
> "without moving the pointer". The pointer can't do anything without moving,
> can it?
>
>
> Cheers,
> David MacDonald
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> I think we should explore this option to see whether it covers the desired
> cases - and only them.
>
> From: Melanie Philipp [mailto:melanie.philipp@deque.com<mailto:
> melanie.philipp@deque.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:35 AM
> To: White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org<mailto:jjwhite@ets.org>>
> Cc: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com>>;
> Abma, J.D. (Jake) <Jake.Abma@ing.nl<mailto:Jake.Abma@ing.nl>>; WCAG <
> w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>; Repsher, Stephen J <
> stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com<mailto:stephen.j.repsher@boeing.com>>
> Subject: Re: Issue 650 Does the Hover or focus SC apply to tabbed
> interfaces?
>
> Did you explore the word "overlay"? As in:
>
> "When pointer hover or keyboard focus triggers additional content that
> overlays other content, the following are true:"
>
> Perhaps no new definition would be required with this approach.
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> Melanie Philipp, CPACC, WAS
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> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 7:59 AM, White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org<mailto:
> jjwhite@ets.org>> wrote:
>
>
> From: Alastair Campbell [mailto:acampbell@nomensa.com<mailto:
> acampbell@nomensa.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:00 AM
>
> I agree it would help to have something like 'pop-over' as the target of
> the SC. I'm fairly sure we did at one stage, Steve (CCed) might be able to
> remember why we dropped that?
> [Jason] The term was used (with disagreement about whether it should be
> "popup" or "popover"), but I don't recall there being a definition. It was
> relatively uncontroversial, as I recall, that these terms did not have a
> generally accepted meaning that was clear or precise enough to meet our
> testability requirements.
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