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Re: Can we put "help and support" into the wcag draft

From: Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:44:57 +0200 (CEST)
To: lisa.seeman@zoho.com
Cc: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Message-Id: <20170613144457.29EFA3D002DD@dd24924.kasserver.com>
Hi Lisa,

I think most of the issues pointed out in the issue 32 SC comments on github and in the survey remain unresolved.

As I have mentioned in my reply, this SC can leed to situations where 'improvements' meet the SC on the surface level but are not really helpful or do not solve the actual cognitive problem.

Then there is still a host of unclear definitions / concepts, e.g.:

* What qualifies as 'instruction' (for non-standard controls)? Is a meaningful label a sufficient instruction (it often might be) or does int require something extra?
* Does a custom control marked up correctly with ARIA count as 'standard'? (see Jake Abma's and Gregg's comments)
* Does a native control with strange label (Gregg's example) count as non-standard?
* What should authors make of 'real numbers' (see James Nurthen's and Steve Repsher's comments on Github)

There is probably more but I stop here.

And as I already pointed out in the survey, I still feel that many of the demands in here are already covered under other SCs and therefore overlap in unclear ways with these SCs:

- non-standard controls: overlaps with SC "3.3.2 Labels or Instructions" and SCs 1.3.1 "Info and Relationships" and  "4.1.2 Role, Name, Value"
- multi-step forms: seems in principle already covered by SC "2.4.8 Location" (again, I think this should be raised to level AA)

Long blocks of text:
- are divided... overlaps partly with 2.4.10 Section Headings
- a summary is provided: overlaps somewhat with 3.1.5 Reading Level, supplemental content

Detlev

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lisa.seeman schrieb am 12.06.2017 16:02:

> Hi Folks
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> we have no idea if we should continue with "help and support" SC or move on to accessible authentication
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> Can everyone please let us know where you stand with this SC?
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> Can you update your response on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/COGA_help/ <https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/COGA_help/>  or just resond to this email
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> please let us know what important issues you feel are left with the current wording at https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32 <https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32> . do you feel it is close?
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> All the best
> 
> Lisa Seeman
> 
> LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/> , Twitter <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa> 
> 
> 
> ---- On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 20:46:58 +0300 lisa.seeman<lisa.seeman@zoho.com> wrote ----
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>> 
>> Hi Folks
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>> Most people had left before we managed to redo the survey on today's call/
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>> It seemed that we have addressed most the issues at: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32 <https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/32> 
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>> Can you give a +1 if you are ok putting it in as is into the draft (and a -1 if you have a show stopping issue with it). We can divide it up (if the groups wants) and make small language changes after August. However we really need to move on to the next SC.
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>> All the best
>> 
>> Lisa Seeman
>> 
>> LinkedIn <http://il.linkedin.com/in/lisaseeman/> , Twitter <https://twitter.com/SeemanLisa> 
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