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Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG?

From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 19:47:44 -0400
Message-ID: <CAAdDpDbET+Sq5LNEL_BbHp8moQTm1-ty07V8qnVRfqOD9j8T7g@mail.gmail.com>
To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
Cc: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>, "w3c-waI-gl@w3. org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>
WCAG only scopes content at URI's using HTTP to deliver. Any other protocol
is not in scope. PDFs over email are not in WCAG scope, PDFs downloaded
from FTP are not in scope, although WCAG techniques can be used to make
them accessible. I know it's messy, but until we widen WCAG content
definition to all delivery mechanisms, and that won't be any time soon, I
think WCAG is limited to that. However, any jurisdiction is welcome to look
at WCAG2ICT or any other mapping document and instruct their jurisdictions
to follow WCAG SCs for all content. But that is not the WCAG Standard.

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On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:45 PM, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com> wrote:

> Clarification / correction / addition:
>
> ...If Web Start is used to transport and then launch a User
> Interface-based application or content​, I'd argue that yes, it is in scope
> in the same way that PDF delivered via FTP is in scope...
>
>
> JF
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Laura Carlson <
> laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gregg,
>>
>> Did you mean WCAG's Web page definition?
>> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#webpagedef
>>
>> Or something else?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Kindest Regards,
>> Laura
>>
>> On 4/26/17, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com> wrote:
>> > Can someone point to that definition because I can't find it.
>> >
>> >> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:32, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> the definition of Web Content is in the definition section of WCAG.
>> >>
>> >> if something meets that definition  - it would be Web Content as per
>> >> WCAG.
>> >>
>> >> g
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gregg C Vanderheiden
>> >> greggvan@umd.edu
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Jonathan Avila <
>> jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it is web
>> >>>> content. What is download it is simply a special user agent.
>> >>>
>> >>> A lot of things can be sent via HTTP.  Remote Desktop can be run over
>> >>> HTTP -- through a special user agent.  This definition might include a
>> >>> lot of things we haven't considered.  PhoneGap wraps web content that
>> >>> uses HTTP.  So does that make PhoneGap a user agent?
>> >>>
>> >>> Jonathan
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: Gregg Vanderheiden RTF [mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org]
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:48 PM
>> >>> To: Laura Carlson
>> >>> Cc: w3c-waI-gl@w3. org; public-low-vision-a11y-tf; James Nurthen
>> >>> Subject: Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG?
>> >>>
>> >>> Can't quite tell from your description. If it is downloaded and
>> installed
>> >>> and then run it is not the web application.
>> >>>
>> >>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it is web
>> content.
>> >>> What is download it is simply a special user agent.
>> >>>
>> >>>> From your description it isn't quite clear which of the two cases it
>> is
>> >>>
>> >>> Gregg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Laura Carlson <
>> laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello Everyone,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> James asked on Oracle's Adapting Text comment [1] if Java Web Start
>> >>>> [2] [3] is covered by WCAG.  He said, "The application is started
>> from
>> >>>> a URL and the application is downloaded, installed updated and run
>> >>>> directly when clicking on a URL in a web page."
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thoughts?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kindest Regards,
>> >>>> Laura
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [1]
>> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.
>> com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFA
>> g&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANs
>> auwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9q
>> hNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e=
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [2]
>> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wiki
>> pedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHv
>> lZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u
>> 7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsj
>> w&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e=
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [3]
>> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.jav
>> a.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1Yum
>> CXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb
>> 2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNW
>> sGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e=
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Laura L. Carlson
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Laura L. Carlson
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> John Foliot
> Principal Accessibility Strategist
> Deque Systems Inc.
> john.foliot@deque.com
>
> Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion
>
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