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Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG?

From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:04:36 -0700
To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
Cc: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>, "w3c-waI-gl@w3. org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
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For a Web Start Application the application itself is often delivered 
from a URI using http/https but it gets "installed" on the client. The 
install is not much different to a cache though.
The application which is delivered communicates with the server (or it 
may be completely stand-alone) using whatever protocol it desires. This 
may be http/https but is equally likely to be any other socket-based 
protocol.

You can see examples (launch from the first column) at 
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/examples/misc/index.html
This doesn't seem much different to me that PDFs or Word Documents that 
are launched from URLs.

I am still not clear on whether or not this is web content. From the 
discussions here I am leaning to Yes.

Regards,
james

On 4/26/2017 4:47 PM, David MacDonald wrote:
>
> WCAG only scopes content at URI's using HTTP to deliver. Any other 
> protocol is not in scope. PDFs over email are not in WCAG scope, PDFs 
> downloaded from FTP are not in scope, although WCAG techniques can be 
> used to make them accessible. I know it's messy, but until we widen 
> WCAG content definition to all delivery mechanisms, and that won't be 
> any time soon, I think WCAG is limited to that. However, any 
> jurisdiction is welcome to look at WCAG2ICT or any other mapping 
> document and instruct their jurisdictions to follow WCAG SCs for all 
> content. But that is not the WCAG Standard.
>
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> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:45 PM, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com 
> <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>> wrote:
>
>     Clarification / correction / addition:
>
>         ...If Web Start is used to transport and then launch a User
>         Interface-based application or content​, I'd argue that yes,
>         it is in scope in the same way that PDF delivered via FTP is
>         in scope...
>
>
>     JF
>
>     On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Laura Carlson
>     <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com <mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>>
>     wrote:
>
>         Hi Gregg,
>
>         Did you mean WCAG's Web page definition?
>         https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#webpagedef
>         <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_TR_WCAG20_-23webpagedef&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=bzmD7-pj1fcMPeG_pAMeYPNwX1m0rmtrElLKJTz16is&s=YT4zkTbH5F_xcPR9_1phGoCgKfB__BYDYfADr4IaJH4&e=>
>
>         Or something else?
>
>         Thanks.
>
>         Kindest Regards,
>         Laura
>
>         On 4/26/17, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com
>         <mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com>> wrote:
>         > Can someone point to that definition because I can't find it.
>         >
>         >> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:32, Gregg C Vanderheiden
>         <greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>> wrote:
>         >>
>         >> the definition of Web Content is in the definition section
>         of WCAG.
>         >>
>         >> if something meets that definition  - it would be Web
>         Content as per
>         >> WCAG.
>         >>
>         >> g
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> Gregg C Vanderheiden
>         >> greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Jonathan Avila
>         <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>>
>         >>>> wrote:
>         >>>>
>         >>>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it
>         is web
>         >>>> content. What is download it is simply a special user agent.
>         >>>
>         >>> A lot of things can be sent via HTTP.  Remote Desktop can
>         be run over
>         >>> HTTP -- through a special user agent.  This definition
>         might include a
>         >>> lot of things we haven't considered.  PhoneGap wraps web
>         content that
>         >>> uses HTTP.  So does that make PhoneGap a user agent?
>         >>>
>         >>> Jonathan
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>> -----Original Message-----
>         >>> From: Gregg Vanderheiden RTF
>         [mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org
>         <mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org>]
>         >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:48 PM
>         >>> To: Laura Carlson
>         >>> Cc: w3c-waI-gl@w3. org; public-low-vision-a11y-tf; James
>         Nurthen
>         >>> Subject: Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG?
>         >>>
>         >>> Can't quite tell from your description. If it is
>         downloaded and installed
>         >>> and then run it is not the web application.
>         >>>
>         >>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it
>         is web content.
>         >>> What is download it is simply a special user agent.
>         >>>
>         >>>> From your description it isn't quite clear which of the
>         two cases it is
>         >>>
>         >>> Gregg
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Laura Carlson
>         <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com <mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>>
>         >>>> wrote:
>         >>>>
>         >>>> Hello Everyone,
>         >>>>
>         >>>> James asked on Oracle's Adapting Text comment [1] if Java
>         Web Start
>         >>>> [2] [3] is covered by WCAG. He said, "The application is
>         started from
>         >>>> a URL and the application is downloaded, installed
>         updated and run
>         >>>> directly when clicking on a URL in a web page."
>         >>>>
>         >>>> Thoughts?
>         >>>>
>         >>>> Thank you.
>         >>>>
>         >>>> Kindest Regards,
>         >>>> Laura
>         >>>>
>         >>>> [1]
>         >>>>
>         https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e=
>         <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e=>
>         >>>>
>         >>>> [2]
>         >>>>
>         https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e=
>         <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e=>
>         >>>>
>         >>>> [3]
>         >>>>
>         https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.java.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e=
>         <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.java.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e=>
>         >>>>
>         >>>>
>         >>>> --
>         >>>> Laura L. Carlson
>         >>>>
>         >>>
>         >>
>         >>
>         >
>         >
>         >
>
>
>         --
>         Laura L. Carlson
>
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     John Foliot
>     Principal Accessibility Strategist
>     Deque Systems Inc.
>     john.foliot@deque.com <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>
>
>     Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion
>
>

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