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Re: Usefulness of language annotations

From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:59:07 -0400
To: "Hoffman, Allen" <allen.hoffman@hq.dhs.gov>
Cc: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, "'Richard Ishida'" <ishida@w3.org>, "'Jens O. Meiert'" <jens@meiert.com>, "'W3C WAI GL'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20140811195906.GO1631@concerto.rednote.net>
Hoffman, Allen writes:
> NVDA definitely supports language mark up as well.

Good to know, thanks.

> Can't say myself for Winddows Eyes.  voiceOver does as well I believe.
I believe yes on IOS, but no on OS/X. I have no direct IOS experience.
I have tried to get my Macbook running Mavericks to do on the fly TTS
changing without success.

Janina

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net] 
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 3:08 PM
> To: John Foliot
> Cc: 'Richard Ishida'; 'Jens O. Meiert'; 'W3C WAI GL'
> Subject: Re: Usefulness of language annotations
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> I'm interested to collect specifics on where this important functionality is supported.
> 
> So, John says JFW will honor inline lang markup. Is that with IE? FF?
> Chrome? Any/all of the above?
> 
> And, what about NVDA? Window-Eyes?
> 
> I am given to understand that IOS will do this for Voice Over, though I believe their approach isn't relying exclusively on the markup.
> 
> It seems Voice Over on OS X does not support this, at least I haven't succeeded with it.
> 
> Also, Orca on Linux and Talkback on Android do not support this.
> 
> Speaking personally, I would regard dropping <lan> as a serious loss, even though I don't see as much integration with TTS across platforms as I would like. What else is there?
> 
> No, we can't expect UA's to do this. We have the example of "chat" in en and fr. What language is the following?
> 
> Still, still, still ...
> 
> Is it a line of something in English? Perhaps poetry? Or, is it the title of a famous Austrian Christmas carol?
> 
> Janina
> 
> John Foliot writes:
> > Richard Ishida wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > A voice browser ought to be able to tell that 'chat' in English is 
> > > not pronounced the same as 'chat' in French, even if it can't speak 
> > > French (though presumably it might at some point).
> > 
> > Yes! Screen readers like JAWs will switch language profiles 
> > 'on-the-fly' when @lang is used in-line. For example, Richard's 
> > example, if marked-up, would use the French enunciation: <p>The french 
> > language translation of cat is <span lang="fr">chat</span>.</p> I can 
> > provide an MP3 file if you need/want Jens - ping me directly if you want it.
> > 
> > JF
> > 
> > 
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