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Re: [html-techs-tf] Agenda for Monday Dec 10th 2012

From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:38:22 -0800
Message-ID: <50C62C1E.8020106@oracle.com>
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
However - to clarify we will be meeting next week Dec 17 (without 
Joshue) , but will not meet Dec 24 or Dec 31.

Regards,
James


On 12/10/2012 10:05 AM, Joshue O Connor wrote:
> Hi y'all,
>
> Here are the minutes from todays call. Thanks to Detlev for scribing. [1]
>
> I will be on annual leave from next week so won't make any calls until 
> the 7th of Jan.
>
> Cheers
>
> Josh
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html
>
>
> - DRAFT -
>
> HTML Techniques Task Force
>
> 10 Dec 2012
>
> See also: IRC log
>
> Attendees
>
> Present
> Regrets
> Chair
> Joshue
> Scribe
> Detlev
> Contents
>
> Topics
> + Survey for today:
> The state of current WCAG advise relating to long descriptors and 
> approaches such as using @longdesc and/or ARIA etc came up on the 
> HTML5 a11y list. Discuss.
> Summary of Action Items
> <Joshue108> rrsagent make log world
> <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/
> <scribe> scribe: Detlev
> Meeting next Monday will be the last until Mo 7. January 2013
> + Survey for today:
>
> <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/
> <Loretta> Sorry - my wireless is going flaky on me...
> Detlev: note on using tabindex use into user agent notes,?
> James: leave one example in with a clear explanation why it'd there
> ... the example can be changed by putting the id on the anchor instead 
> of the span
> <Joshue108> 
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose
> <scribe> ACTION: reworl example 2 of aria-sdescribedby for link 
> purpose according to the discussion section of the wiki [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]
> <scribe> ACTION: Detlev add explanation in the text why tabindex+-1 is 
> being used here [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action02]
> <jamesn> 
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Talk:Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose
> James will take it up to Microsoft to check whether the bug will be 
> fixed soon
> James: problem is that any time you have multime references in 
> aria-labelledby you need to make sure that all elements referenced are 
> in the a11y tree (by adding tabindex=-1)
> <jamesn> ACTION: James to talk to Cynthia in order to determine the 
> status of tabindex -1 and whether it is necessary when using 
> describedby and labelledby in IE [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action03]
> <scribe> ACTION: Josh will ping Steve Falukner to get his view on the 
> issue [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action04]
> James: it's referenced in the MS documentation
> <jamesn> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/gg701963%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#Making_Nonaccessible_Elements_Accessible
> <Joshue108> 
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose
> James: ARIA implementation user agent guide states that any elements 
> referenced must be pulled into the accessibility tree - so MS shoud be 
> told about it
> <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby
> Reference to longdesc in second paragraph in Description is a bit 
> confusing
> Josh: focuong on the added value of longdesc - external URI
> <scribe> ACTION: Josh will edit this text [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action05]
> Discussion will be moved to next week
> <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results
> The state of current WCAG advise relating to long descriptors and 
> approaches such as using @longdesc and/or ARIA etc came up on the 
> HTML5 a11y list. Discuss.
>
> Josh: discussion of long descriptions, example proposed by Jams Craig
> ... some of this may be turned onto a technique
> <jongund> I have to go to another call
> <Joshue108> http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/
> <jamesn> http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/
> Josh> suggests to look at the examples and see whether we can turn 
> this into techniques
> Summary of Action Items
>
> [NEW] ACTION: Detlev add explanation in the text why tabindex+-1 is 
> being used here [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action02]
> [NEW] ACTION: James to talk to Cynthia in order to determine the 
> status of tabindex -1 and whether it is necessary when using 
> describedby and labelledby in IE [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action03]
> [NEW] ACTION: Josh will edit this text [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action05]
> [NEW] ACTION: Josh will ping Steve Falukner to get his view on the 
> issue [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action04]
> [NEW] ACTION: reworl example 2 of aria-sdescribedby for link purpose 
> according to the discussion section of the wiki [recorded in 
> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]
>
> [End of minutes]
>
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