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Re: [html-techs-tf] Agenda for Monday Dec 10th 2012

From: Joshue O Connor <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:05:52 +0000
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To: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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Hi y'all,

Here are the minutes from todays call. Thanks to Detlev for scribing. [1]

I will be on annual leave from next week so won't make any calls until 
the 7th of Jan.

Cheers

Josh

[1] http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html


- DRAFT -

HTML Techniques Task Force

10 Dec 2012

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
Joshue
Scribe
Detlev
Contents

Topics
+ Survey for today:
The state of current WCAG advise relating to long descriptors and 
approaches such as using @longdesc and/or ARIA etc came up on the HTML5 
a11y list. Discuss.
Summary of Action Items
<Joshue108> rrsagent make log world
<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/
<scribe> scribe: Detlev
Meeting next Monday will be the last until Mo 7. January 2013
+ Survey for today:

<Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/26_11_2012/
<Loretta> Sorry - my wireless is going flaky on me...
Detlev: note on using tabindex use into user agent notes,?
James: leave one example in with a clear explanation why it'd there
... the example can be changed by putting the id on the anchor instead 
of the span
<Joshue108> 
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose
<scribe> ACTION: reworl example 2 of aria-sdescribedby for link purpose 
according to the discussion section of the wiki [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Detlev add explanation in the text why tabindex+-1 is 
being used here [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action02]
<jamesn> 
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Talk:Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose
James will take it up to Microsoft to check whether the bug will be 
fixed soon
James: problem is that any time you have multime references in 
aria-labelledby you need to make sure that all elements referenced are 
in the a11y tree (by adding tabindex=-1)
<jamesn> ACTION: James to talk to Cynthia in order to determine the 
status of tabindex -1 and whether it is necessary when using describedby 
and labelledby in IE [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: Josh will ping Steve Falukner to get his view on the 
issue [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action04]
James: it's referenced in the MS documentation
<jamesn> 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/gg701963%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#Making_Nonaccessible_Elements_Accessible
<Joshue108> 
http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-labeledby_for_link_purpose
James: ARIA implementation user agent guide states that any elements 
referenced must be pulled into the accessibility tree - so MS shoud be 
told about it
<Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-describedby
Reference to longdesc in second paragraph in Description is a bit confusing
Josh: focuong on the added value of longdesc - external URI
<scribe> ACTION: Josh will edit this text [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action05]
Discussion will be moved to next week
<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/11262012/results
The state of current WCAG advise relating to long descriptors and 
approaches such as using @longdesc and/or ARIA etc came up on the HTML5 
a11y list. Discuss.

Josh: discussion of long descriptions, example proposed by Jams Craig
... some of this may be turned onto a technique
<jongund> I have to go to another call
<Joshue108> http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/
<jamesn> http://cookiecrook.com/longdesc/
Josh> suggests to look at the examples and see whether we can turn this 
into techniques
Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Detlev add explanation in the text why tabindex+-1 is 
being used here [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: James to talk to Cynthia in order to determine the status 
of tabindex -1 and whether it is necessary when using describedby and 
labelledby in IE [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Josh will edit this text [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Josh will ping Steve Falukner to get his view on the issue 
[recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: reworl example 2 of aria-sdescribedby for link purpose 
according to the discussion section of the wiki [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2012/12/10-html-techs-tf-minutes.html#action01]

[End of minutes]
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