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RE: Minutes from 27 Feb HTML5 Techniques Task Force

From: Boland Jr, Frederick E. <frederick.boland@nist.gov>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:50:08 -0500
To: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Message-ID: <D7A0423E5E193F40BE6E94126930C4930B947FE82E@MBCLUSTER.xchange.nist.gov>
Belated regrets - at an all day meeting on another one of my projects at NIST.. Apologies..
Thanks for all the comments..
Best, Tim Boland NIST

From: Loretta Guarino Reid [mailto:lorettaguarino@google.com]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:08 PM
To: WCAG; wai-xtech@w3.org
Subject: Minutes from 27 Feb HTML5 Techniques Task Force



      [1] http://www.w3.org/

                               - DRAFT -

                      HTML Techniques Task Force

27 Feb 2012

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/27-html-techs-tf-irc



          Joseph_Scheuhammer, James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Cooper,

          Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Adam_Solomon, David_Todd







     * [3]Topics

         1. [4]Proposed new ARIA/WCAG techique Using aria-describdby

            and alert for Error Feedback in Forms]

         2. [5]Using the HTML5 required attribute to indicate that a

            value is required in an input field.

     * [6]Summary of Action Items


   <scribe> scribe:Loretta

Proposed new ARIA/WCAG techique [Using aria-describdby and alert for

Error Feedback in Forms]

   Tim isn't at the meeting. This is an early draft, which is fine,

   especially while we are learing to write techniques

   Recommend just using HTML, not HTML5 specifically, for ARIA


   JN: The group is reviewing the comments in the survey.

   LGR: Is there anything in the comments that we don't think Tim

   should act on?

   Resolution: Leave open.

   MJ: Difference between how to use attributes vs how to address


   BB: Is the use of alt="" with required attribute legitimate? Does

   this meet 1.1.1?

   LGR: We may need a separate 1.1.1 technique if we think this is ok.

Using the HTML5 required attribute to indicate that a value is required

in an input field.

   DT: Comments are looking familiar! Will go back and review to be

   sure that comments have been addressed.

   ... Updated technique this morning, so comments may be on an older


   AS: My comments are current.

   JN: Could we move this technique from the Trace wiki to the W3C


   ... See link at the top of the Trace wiki main page.

   ... Or at least create future techniques there.

   ... Should we try to revise and review this on the fly?

   <MichaelC> please use this URL for the technique on the WCAG wiki:



      [7] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA/Using_aria-describedby_and_alert_for_Error_Feedback_in_Forms

   JN: What versions of what browsers support HTML5?

   ... We can put that information into Technology Notes for HTML5, and

   just note anything that is specific to the technique in the User

   Agent Notes.

   <DavidTodd> Using the html5 required attribute to validate (or

   "describe") a required input field

   <MichaelC> please use this URL for the technique on the WCAG wiki:



      [8] http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA/Using_the_required_attribute_to_indicate_a_required_input_field

   <jamesn> DavidTodd, User Agent testing notes can be found here -


      [9] http://john.foliot.ca/required-inputs/

   <jamesn> AS: Should test procedures check all instances or just one?

   <jamesn> AS: What about consistency?

   <jamesn> LGR: Note sure we have always been consistent. Suggest

   going forward not to make the test procedure check all

   <jamesn> DT: do we want to mention specific browsers in the user

   agent notes?

   <jamesn> JN: Yes - where the user agent notes are more specific than

   general user agent notes.

   David will research browser behavior for user agent notes and bring

   the technique back for review.

   Otherwise, we think it looks fine.

   MJ: Going back to Adam's comments about browsers, will there be

   something about general browser behavior in the description?

   JN: Both is fine, in my opinion.

   ... In this case, there are 2 different UA behaviors in the

   description: browser rendering and screen reader behavior.

   <DavidTodd> Sorry, have to drop off to get to another call.

   MJ: Trying to decide how focused to keep techniques.

   JN: Who can't make next week's call, besides James and Michael? Josh

   will run the call.

Summary of Action Items

   [End of minutes]


    Minutes formatted by David Booth's [10]scribe.perl version 1.136

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Found Scribe: Loretta

Inferring ScribeNick: Loretta

Default Present: Joseph_Scheuhammer, James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Cooper

, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Adam_Solomon, David_Todd

Present: Joseph_Scheuhammer James_Nurthen Marc_Johlic Cooper Bruce_Bail

ey Loretta_Guarino_Reid Adam_Solomon David_Todd

Got date from IRC log name: 27 Feb 2012

Guessing minutes URL: [13]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/27-html-techs-tf-mi<http://www.w3.org/2012/02/27-html-techs-tf-mi%0d%0anutes.html>


People with action items:

     [13] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/27-html-techs-tf-minutes.html
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