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RE: Schedule for getting to Last Call

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:22:20 -0600
To: "'Robinson, Norman B - Washington, DC'" <Norman.B.Robinson@usps.gov>, "'Judy Brewer'" <jbrewer@w3.org>, "'Bailey, Bruce'" <Bruce.Bailey@ed.gov>
Cc: "'WCAG WG'" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <008601c607d4$adadd670$ee8cfea9@NC6000BAK>

Thanks Norman,

Good post. 

Just FYI - There is no plan to go to final recommendation with any
unresolved issues.  In fact the process does not allow it.   

Last call is not the end.  There is last call.  Then there is candidate
recommendation.   Only then do we get to proposed recommendation.  And
finally recommendation.  

But if people want to suggest major change - this is the time to do it. And
it is also the time to sit back as you suggest, and look at the whole thing.

Thanks 
 
Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Robinson, Norman B - Washington, DC
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:02 AM
To: Judy Brewer; Bailey, Bruce
Cc: WCAG WG
Subject: RE: Schedule for getting to Last Call


To all;

	I understand there are schedules created and they help drive work to
a solution. I understand it has been many years in the making and many
people are anxious to have something tangible.

	If this standard is going to impact Section 508 in a significant
way, and I believe it is, then I hope you will understand if I continue to
be critical of the work. The agency can continue to require all development
staff and all contracts use the standard on version 1.0 as appropriate to
the Section 508 mandate. I don't wish to undermine the excellent work done
so far; I'm participating technically where possible. We don't have the
finished product and I'm evaluating a work in progress. I'm not a W3C
member. Speaking as Section 508 Coordinator for a large agency, we are
materially affected. Please consider that if you release a new version and
it has any significant issues left unresolved, it will have to be my
position to ensure the standard is _not_ to be applied. 

	Although Bruce and others have been focusing on many of the
technical details, I think it would be most useful if the people involved
step back and look at this from the eyes of a new user. Avoid the technical
details and focus on the goals. Be critical and figure out how things fail,
try to break them. An example of one issue that needs to be resolved is the
levels; what do they mean? They are confusing!
Another would be the language itself; someone needs to simplify it.
Sometimes it seems as if every word is being considered out of context.
Perhaps every definition needs a goal, definition, example, and bad example
to clarify.

	I will try to coordinate more constructive feedback with other
agencies but just like Section 508 _you_ have the responsibility and as a
new participant I can do little more than audit your work. I certainly can't
review all of the work provided by many others more intelligent and aware of
the issues than myself. However, I challenge you to think differently. There
are several issues Bruce is bringing up that should be addressed. This work
is important and larger than any one of us.

	Regards,


	Norman B. Robinson
	Section 508 Coordinator 
	IT Governance, US Postal Service



-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Judy Brewer
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:51 PM
To: Bailey, Bruce
Cc: WCAG WG
Subject: RE: Schedule for getting to Last Call



Bruce,

It's appropriate, and necessary, for any W3C Working Group to be planning
ahead on how to move through the remaining document stages. So you will
likely see more of this planning process in the future, including discussion
of plans for stages beyond the next one.

At the same time, all comments that the group receives are logged, and given
consideration in the Working Group's process, and will continue to be as the
document moves forward.

Regards,

- Judy
Received on Friday, 23 December 2005 15:23:05 GMT

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