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RE: multimedia definition

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:00:01 -0600
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Hi Andrew,

 

Your And/Or is a good edit.    But the word "Synchronized" is important or
else a page with links (interaction) combined with an audio playing in the
background would be multimedia - and that is not our intent.   It is only if
the audio is synchronized with the interaction (the interaction has to take
place at a certain time in the audio presentation) that it qualifies.
Ditto with audio and graphics unless the graphic presentation is
synchronized with the audio. 

 

So incorporating your 'and/or" edit we end up with    

 

Multimedia:

Content that includes one type of time dependent media (e.g. audio or video)
synchronized with interactive elements and/or with another type of media
(e.g. text, audio, graphics, or video)

 

 


Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 

 

 


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From: Andrew Kirkpatrick [mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:07 PM
To: John M Slatin; Gregg Vanderheiden; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: multimedia definition

suggested change:

 

Content that includes one type of time dependent media (e.g. audio or video)
combined with interactive elements and/or with another type of media (e.g.
text, audio, graphics, or video)

 

"synchronized" seems awkward so I put 'combined' to genericize it one notch.
I made the 'or' an 'and/or' since both are possible.

 

Other than that it sounds good to me (and these are pretty nit-picky).

awk

 


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of John M Slatin
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:05 PM
To: John M Slatin; Gregg Vanderheiden; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: multimedia definition

Gregg and I took our discussion off-list for a while and hammered out a
definition of multimedia we think will work:

 

<proposed>

 One type of time dependent media (e.g. audio or video) synchronized with
interaction or with another type of media (e.g. text, audio, graphics, or
video)

</proposed>

If everyone can live with this, it will replace the current definition in
the Glossary (below):

 

<blockquote>

For the purposes of these guidelines, multimedia refers to combined audio
and video presentations. It also includes audio-only and video-only
presentations
that include interaction.
</blockquote>

John

"Good design is accessible design."

Dr. John M. Slatin, Director 
Accessibility Institute
University of Texas at Austin 
FAC 248C 
1 University Station G9600 
Austin, TX 78712 
ph 512-495-4288, fax 512-495-4524 
email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu 
Web  <http://www.ital.utexas.edu/> http://www.utexas.edu
<http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility> /research/accessibility 

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of John M Slatin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:53 PM
To: Gregg Vanderheiden; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: multimedia definition

Gregg,

 

The first phrase in the proposed definition (both yours and mine) is:

 

<q>Several different media,</q>

 

So even if people believe that "interactive audio" is one medium and "audio"
is a different medium, we're covered by that first phrase.

 

Here it is again:

<proposed>

Several different media, including at least one time based media type,
integrated in a single presentation.  Media may include text, audio
(including interactive
audio), graphics, and video (including interactive video).

</proposed>

 

Or people might be more comfortable with the following:

 

<slightRevision>

Two or more different media, including at least one time based media type,
integrated in a single presentation.  Media may include text, audio,
including interactive
audio, graphics, video,and interactive video.

</slightRevision>

 

I'd prefer to put interactive audio and interactive video in parentheses, as
in the first version above. But I like starting with "Two or more different
media " since it clearly covers the most common multimedia format, i.e.,
video plus a soundtrack ("several" usually means more than 2 ...). So here's
one more try:

 

<oneMoreTry>

Two or more different media, including at least one time based media type,
integrated in a single presentation.  Media may include text, audio
(including interactive
audio), graphics, and video (including interactive video).

</oneMoreTry>

 

John

 

"Good design is accessible design."

Dr. John M. Slatin, Director 
Accessibility Institute
University of Texas at Austin 
FAC 248C 
1 University Station G9600 
Austin, TX 78712 
ph 512-495-4288, fax 512-495-4524 
email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu 
Web  <http://www.ital.utexas.edu/> http://www.utexas.edu
<http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility> /research/accessibility 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu] 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 1:00 PM
To: John M Slatin; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: multimedia definition

Interesting

 

But if interactive audio is media then it isn't multimedia.    And according
to our definition (or what we thought needed to be covered by multimedia)
interactive audio or interactive video needed to be in there...

 

So we would have to rewrite all our guidelines to say "Multimedia and media
mixed with interaction."    

Oops that doesn't work.  

 

It would have to be  "Multimedia and time based media mixed with
interaction."

Or 

"Multimedia and video or audio mixed with interaction."

 

Hmm.   Hard to parse the ands and ors

 

I think we need to keep interaction in multimedia.   

 

It goes back to the list form which is a terrible format for definitions
but.. 

 

 

Multimedia

audio or video synchronized with interactivity or another media type
including text, images, (video), (audio), etc.

 

OR 

 

Multimedia

A time based media (such as video or sound) synchronized with interactivity
or another media type including text, images, video, audio, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Gregg

 -- ------------------------------ 
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of John M Slatin
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:41 PM
To: Gregg Vanderheiden; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: multimedia definition

 

Gregg responded to my proposed rewrite of the multimedia definition:

 

<blockquote>

Actually the interactivity as a medium came from Wikipedia.

 

I thought that was interesting because it is necessary as a media for our
definition as well.

 

Interactive audio for example is considered multimedia.   And it consists of
audio and interaction.

 

 

</blockquote>

 

I'd be fine with listing "interactive audio" and "interactive video" as
separate media.

 

It makes me nervous to treat Wikopedia as an authoritative source, precisely
because it advertises itself as "the encyclopedia that can be edited by
anyone."

 

The Wikopedia definition of "multimedia" links to an article on
"interactivity" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactivity) which is
flagged as needing work. What's there now does not describe interactivity as
a medium.

 

So here's a modified version of the rewrite I proposed:

<newProposal>

Several different media, including at least one time based media type,
integrated in a single presentation.  Media may include text, audio
(including interactive audio), graphics, and video (including interactive
video). 

</newProposal>

 

I deleted the third sentence from my previous proposal since interactivity
is now incorporated into the list of media types.

 

I also deleted animation from the list of multimedia types since our
definition of "video" (accepted 8 December) includes animation. But it
wouldn't bother me to include it explicitly here if people want to do that.

 

John

 

 
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