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RE: downloads

From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:54:59 -0600
To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Message-ID: <007c01c5eba0$072495a0$ee8cfea9@NC6000BAK>

I don't think we want to tie the definition of web content to W3C
technologies and specifications.  That isn't consistent with W3C's view of
the Web.  

As to downloads - I think the differentiator wasn't how the content was
downloaded but how it was run or viewed.   Via a user agent? Or not. 

Key may turn out to be the definition of user agent. 

 
Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 


-----Original Message-----
From: Robinson, Norman B - Washington, DC
[mailto:Norman.B.Robinson@usps.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:45 AM
To: Gregg Vanderheiden; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: downloads

Gregg,

	I think the original definition supplied in the editorial note needs
clarification.
	To differentiate "web content" from "stand alone software" or "other
products" that are "downloaded over the internet".

	My input:
	1. I don't think how the web content is downloaded is a required
attribute of this discussion. We could have a user agent working over a
serial port, infra-red wireless connection or any other networking medium.
It doesn't have to be an Intranet or an Internet. Just to clarify the
network is not the content.
	2. What confusion could a reader have in thinking "stand alone
software or other products" are required to conform? Upon inspection one
would find there isn't the basic code that matches web content (e.g., a java
application, a downloadable calculator program) unless they were based on
W3C technology recommendations.
	3. Your original note included "data, software or other data...are
not viewed by a user agent then they are not considered Web content...". I
caution that since I can have data that is in web content format or software
that is in web content formats as well there is need to revise and clarify.

	Unless you want to move to have the guidelines cover all software
generically then I think the answer would involve tying the definition of
(web) content to W3C technologies or specifications.

	Regards,


	Norman Robinson

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:32 PM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: downloads



OK 

Cleaning that up a bit we have new wording for the note in the INTRODUCTION

Editorial Note: The working group is considering adding the following note
    to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from standard
    stand alone software and other products that are downloaded over the

    Internet and not viewed via a user agent.
    Note: If data, software or other materials are downloaded over the 
    internet but are not viewed via a user agent then they are not 
    considered Web content and are not covered by these guidelines. 

Everyone please look at this for today. 
 
Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center
University of Wisconsin-Madison 


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:24 AM
To: 'Gregg Vanderheiden'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: downloads


What about to say:

Editorial Note: The working group is considering adding the following note
    to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from standard
stand
    alone software and other products that are downloaded over the internet
*or opened independently from the web content document*.
    Note: If data, software or other data are downloaded over the internet
but
    are not viewed via a user agent then they are not considered Web content
and
    are not covered by these guidelines.


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:16 AM
To: 'Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG)'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: downloads



This is meant primarily to differentiate between Web content and - say -
downloading a software program.  

If you see a way to tweak this - please post.  

Thanks.  

 
Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center
University of Wisconsin-Madison 


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf
Of Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG)
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:06 AM
To: gv@trace.wisc.edu; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: downloads


Hi Gregg,
A question. I think that every user can configure user agents for open
contents both inside browser and as stand-alone. Some example:
- pdf: can Be downloaded, open in Adobe Acrobat Reader or view inside web
browser window.
- ppt: can be downloaded, viewed directly in browser (with ie only) or view
inside a Viewer.
- mpeg: can Be downloaded, viewed directly in browser (using the default
viewer that the user has choose to use: windows media, quicktime, realone,
winamp, etc.) or view inside a viewer.

So, are we sure that we have a right definition? Or you intend only
client-side application download?
----- Messaggio originale -----
    Da: "Gregg Vanderheiden"<gv@trace.wisc.edu>
    Inviato: 17/11/05 6.08.21
    A: "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org"<w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
    Oggetto: downloads
      
    The following note has been added to the Intro to reflect a decision at
F2F
    to differentiate downloads from web content
    
    
    
    Editorial Note: The working group is considering adding the following
note
    to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from standard
stand
    alone software and other products that are downloaded over the internet.
    Note: If data, software or other data are downloaded over the internet
but
    are not viewed via a user agent then they are not considered Web content
and
    are not covered by these guidelines.
    
    Add this to the discussion of the INTRO tomorrow.
    
    Gregg
    
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    Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
    Professor - Depts of Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
    Director - Trace R & D Center 
    University of Wisconsin-Madison 
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