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RE: downloads

From: Robinson, Norman B - Washington, DC <Norman.B.Robinson@usps.gov>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:45:19 -0500
Message-ID: <EAF95052690D174A833DC58B15AB6A8819E951@WADCHQSXM24.usa.dce.usps.gov>
To: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

Gregg,

	I think the original definition supplied in the editorial note
needs clarification.
	To differentiate "web content" from "stand alone software" or
"other products" that are "downloaded over the internet".

	My input:
	1. I don't think how the web content is downloaded is a required
attribute of this discussion. We could have a user agent working over a
serial port, infra-red wireless connection or any other networking
medium. It doesn't have to be an Intranet or an Internet. Just to
clarify the network is not the content.
	2. What confusion could a reader have in thinking "stand alone
software or other products" are required to conform? Upon inspection one
would find there isn't the basic code that matches web content (e.g., a
java application, a downloadable calculator program) unless they were
based on W3C technology recommendations.
	3. Your original note included "data, software or other
data...are not viewed by a user agent then they are not considered Web
content...". I caution that since I can have data that is in web content
format or software that is in web content formats as well there is need
to revise and clarify.

	Unless you want to move to have the guidelines cover all
software generically then I think the answer would involve tying the
definition of (web) content to W3C technologies or specifications.

	Regards,


	Norman Robinson

-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:32 PM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: downloads



OK 

Cleaning that up a bit we have new wording for the note in the
INTRODUCTION

Editorial Note: The working group is considering adding the following
note
    to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from
standard
    stand alone software and other products that are downloaded over the

    Internet and not viewed via a user agent.
    Note: If data, software or other materials are downloaded over the 
    internet but are not viewed via a user agent then they are not 
    considered Web content and are not covered by these guidelines. 

Everyone please look at this for today. 
 
Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
Behalf
Of Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 2:24 AM
To: 'Gregg Vanderheiden'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: downloads


What about to say:

Editorial Note: The working group is considering adding the following
note
    to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from
standard
stand
    alone software and other products that are downloaded over the
internet
*or opened independently from the web content document*.
    Note: If data, software or other data are downloaded over the
internet
but
    are not viewed via a user agent then they are not considered Web
content
and
    are not covered by these guidelines.


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
Behalf
Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:16 AM
To: 'Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG)'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: downloads



This is meant primarily to differentiate between Web content and - say -
downloading a software program.  

If you see a way to tweak this - please post.  

Thanks.  

 
Gregg

 -- ------------------------------
Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center
University of Wisconsin-Madison 


-----Original Message-----
From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On
Behalf
Of Roberto Scano (IWA/HWG)
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:06 AM
To: gv@trace.wisc.edu; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: downloads


Hi Gregg,
A question. I think that every user can configure user agents for open
contents both inside browser and as stand-alone. Some example:
- pdf: can Be downloaded, open in Adobe Acrobat Reader or view inside
web
browser window.
- ppt: can be downloaded, viewed directly in browser (with ie only) or
view
inside a Viewer.
- mpeg: can Be downloaded, viewed directly in browser (using the default
viewer that the user has choose to use: windows media, quicktime,
realone,
winamp, etc.) or view inside a viewer.

So, are we sure that we have a right definition? Or you intend only
client-side application download?
----- Messaggio originale -----
    Da: "Gregg Vanderheiden"<gv@trace.wisc.edu>
    Inviato: 17/11/05 6.08.21
    A: "w3c-wai-gl@w3.org"<w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
    Oggetto: downloads
      
    The following note has been added to the Intro to reflect a decision
at
F2F
    to differentiate downloads from web content
    
    
    
    Editorial Note: The working group is considering adding the
following
note
    to the conformance section to differentiate Web Content from
standard
stand
    alone software and other products that are downloaded over the
internet.
    Note: If data, software or other data are downloaded over the
internet
but
    are not viewed via a user agent then they are not considered Web
content
and
    are not covered by these guidelines.
    
    Add this to the discussion of the INTRO tomorrow.
    
    Gregg
    
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    Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. 
    Professor - Depts of Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
    Director - Trace R & D Center 
    University of Wisconsin-Madison 
    <http://trace.wisc.edu/> FAX 608/262-8848  
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